Fall (post-1985 / compilations): Search & Destroy

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I don't know how to respond the the pf, except to say I think the Fall and the Smiths sit together very easily in my mind. And that not liking the Fall would be a really weird position to take.

Nick, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dr C. - yeah in Chch Burns played some gtr & maybe other things...this may be a false memory but I think Marc Riley played some drums too (it was just before he got kicked out).

duane, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

twenty years pass...

I only really know 80s fall, is it ok if I ask here what are the can’t miss post-80s fall albums? I might get to them all eventually.

brimstead, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 02:05 (two years ago) link

i'm not any kind of expert on that period but "fall heads roll" is a real good one

unknown or illegal user (doo rag), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 04:21 (two years ago) link

I only really know 80s fall, is it ok if I ask here what are the can’t miss post-80s fall albums? I might get to them all eventually.


there’s a strong run of early 90s albums where their character and concerns really changed - domestic concerns and people, even relationships, are written about in a more rounded way - still identifiably fall like ofc. that’s probably most notable and best on Extricate and Shift Work.

The Infotainment Scan is extremely accessible and enjoyable.

there’s a sort of media/information/revival of the past set of concerns, and intermittent texts on mittel europe and european politics in all of this period.

then i’d jump straight to levitate - the group as a cohesive unit we’re in total free fall, as was smith, and the most important sleeve note for levitate is “Produced by Mark E Smith”. it’s sonically and lyrically dissolute, attenuated and wired. both spacious and dense. with strange landscapes of sound and voices caught on choppy gusts of electrical interference and sudden voids.

there’s a v strong period with a new group from 1999 from which i’d pick The Unutterable - but The Marshall Suite and The Real New Fall LP (formerly Country on the Click) are also v good.

Then it all becomes a bit more patchy. Your Future Our Clutter is an exceptional high point as, in fact, is the last album, New Facts Emerge.

It’s also worth seeking out The Remainderer EP from this late period; it’s an absolute blast.

one way of getting a good in on the 90s stuff is the final two and a half cds in the john peel sessions box set. The 1999 session comprising Bound Soul One, Antidotes, Shake Off and This Perfect Day, which announced their return after apparent annihilation and preluded The Marshall Suite is one of my favourite things they’ve done - raw, unhinged and howling with contempt and twist, “almost feels like they’ve gone back to the 1970s” Peel said when he played it.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 05:25 (two years ago) link

Excellent post.

Kim Kimberly, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 05:35 (two years ago) link

just cobbled together a slightly capricious sample of tracks from the 90s onward *not* included in the list above.

Reptilian! Mythical! Sea-Tremors!

confined myself to one per album but allowed myself some latitude for singles not on the original album tho now on “deluxe” streaming album listings eg Ed’s Babe, Calendar and I Wake Up in the City (Calendar important for the whole “mirror psychosis” refractive reflection motivs in later Fall) (I Wake Up in the City important for uh the lyric “Even Jesus had a tail, General Custer was the same, and that old dollar bill came out backwards in the machine”)

tried to avoid obvious generally compiled stuff like Free Range but didn’t stick hard and fast to that.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 07:28 (two years ago) link

oh also included a track off The Post Nearly Man, which i love, but isn’t strictly a Fall album, tho it uses the Ol’ Gang theme from Levitate on this particular track.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 07:31 (two years ago) link

real new fall lp is a barnstormer absolute classic
the unutterable is excellent
imperial wax solvent is excellent
also have soft spot for infotainment scan / your future our clutter

the peel sessions box set released during this time and covering their whole career is wall to wall astonishing

coming round on are you missing are winner / Marshall suite /new facts

I love the fall though and would never write off any record you find great stuff on everything

clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 09:11 (two years ago) link

thank you!

brimstead, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 15:17 (two years ago) link

yeah I think "The Real New Fall LP" is maybe their best album overall, but I do get frustrated with the different mixes. like why does the American version just delete the bass line on "Recovery Kit"? it's so good!!

frogbs, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 15:51 (two years ago) link

The albums mentioned above are the best of the post-1990 crop but I still find all of them an odd combination of absolute bangers and complete misses. I go for the two 90s compilations, "A Past Gone Mad" and "A World Bewitched". No overlap and they collect almost all the best stuff from that decade. I've put together my own 21st century comp in lieu of something official.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 18:33 (two years ago) link

A World Bewitched is especially useful for containing a disc of B-sides and MES collaboration one-offs, many of which are not collected elsewhere.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 21:57 (two years ago) link

I can't be the only one that did a double-take at this:

twenty years pass...

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 22:04 (two years ago) link

For me:
Code Selfish
A World Bewitched
Levitate
The Real New Fall LP
Your Future Our Clutter

The Peel Session with Blindness/Clasp Hands/What About Us/Grass Grow is so blindingly strong it preempts Fall Heads Roll almost completely

Special shoutout to the batch of bootleg recordings documenting the shambling-then-swaggering series of shows with the hastily-assembled US guys right after the mid-tour breakup, downloading each one as they happened was an incredible feeling of "news from the front"

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 24 March 2022 15:34 (two years ago) link


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