Steely Dan: "Steely Dan's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy bop-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought

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Not sure what that Christgau quote means - is the cheerleader supposed to be playing craps too or is she (he?) just cheering on those who are playing? - but in any case, I'm pretty sure he's wrong, since the singer fits in pretty well to the vibe, as long as you're not expecting Fagen's inimitable yowl.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

The image is perfectly apt, o nate. I just listened to the Palmer songs; he's like Doug Yule singing John Cale songs circa "Fear".

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

one of my favorite things anyone wrote about a record is Christgau on David Palmer, the other vocalist on Thrill: "He fits in like a cheerleader at a crap game."

-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...) (webmail), March 2nd, 2005 8:29 PM. (M Matos) (link)


haha!

in dave marsh's heart of rock and soul or whatever it's called, he reviews A RECORD ON WHICH DONALD FAGEN IS SINGING and writes something like "boy, this palmer guy sucks--he's no donald fagen!"

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 3 March 2005 07:39 (nineteen years ago) link

(that's in my top 10 inexplicable critical boners, because dave marsh is not stupid.)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 3 March 2005 07:40 (nineteen years ago) link

(i actually disagree w/xgau, though if palmer sang EVERY song on that first record, i might change my mind)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 3 March 2005 07:45 (nineteen years ago) link


Dear Dr Claire

My sister said that some people can be really blind yet they believe they can see. Is this true?

Yours sincerely

Caitlin 

***

Dear Caitlin

It's true, though it's a very rare condition.

If a person is blind, of course they can't really see. But there is a part of the visual system in the brain that can make up pictures that aren't really there...like when you imagine things or dream.

There's another part of the brain that gives you a feeling that what you are experiencing or thinking is real, or true. If these two parts of the brain don't work together properly (which is very unusual) then you can believe you are seeing things when, physically, you aren't.

If a blind person has this problem then they will 'see' what they expect to see.

For instance, if they are in their living room they think they can see the lounge suite, the coffee table, the TV, etc. But it doesn't feel to them like they are imagining it. They really believe it. They can't help it. No amount of arguing about it with them will convince them, even if they make mistakes.

For instance, someone might have moved the coffee table and the blind person walks into it. They wouldn't think that they hadn't seen it. Instead they would make up (and believe) an excuse. 'I just kicked that coffee table to see if it was made properly. You can't be too sure about the quality of workmanship these days.'

There is a famous case of a woman who wasn't blind but who had a similar problem with the part of her brain to do with location. No matter where she was she always believed she was in her own home. Once she was taken to hospital for some tests. While she was waiting in the foyer she looked at the row of shiny stainless steel elevator doors in front of her. She was most upset. She complained about the workers who were doing the renovations in her living room. She hadn't ordered elevators. They would have to take them out again. She was damned if she was going to pay the extra cost for their mistake...etc.

You see, the poor lady had to make up a reason to explain to herself what felt to be true to her--that she was always at home in her own place.

It just goes to show that so much of what we think is real is actually happening in our brain.

Of course, most of the time it is real. At least it is for me!

Yours sincerely ,
Virginia R. Claire

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 3 March 2005 07:51 (nineteen years ago) link

it's an interesting analogy, and this confession regarding your "blind spot" (Steely Dan) is very brave. It's tough to see talent sometimes. We'll do our best to help you on ILM.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 3 March 2005 07:57 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.geocities.com/~themistyone/images/freeman02a.jpg

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 3 March 2005 08:03 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Wait, actually they're like the best band ever.

Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 22 October 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.supermancollectors.com/scn/2004mar/supball6.jpg

Jack Cole (jackcole), Saturday, 22 October 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the Dan desperately. And the new records are great. The lyrics to "Pixeleen" or "Lunch with Gina" crack me up, and the melody in "Everything Must Go" is beautiful.

I've noticed that the lyrics have gotten much less willfully obscure (I think they cited Pynchon as an influence early on) and tell a coherent story now. Musically they're completely unchanged from what they used to do.

Brakhage (brakhage), Saturday, 22 October 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Were they really cokeheads? It seems so... unprofessional for a band like them. (Probably for Fleetwood Mac too, tying into Jason's older thread.)

Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 22 October 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

fagan wasn't. becker had a major drug problem towards the very end.

funny, i was just thinking about this thread.

katrina vanden roffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 22 October 2005 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

FAGEN! i kn tipe, honist.

one of my favorite things anyone wrote about a record is Christgau on David Palmer, the other vocalist on Thrill: "He fits in like a cheerleader at a crap game."

who's more yacht rock, palmer or fagen?

katrina vanden roffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 22 October 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone here heard the outtake of your gold teeth II where fagen says during the song "OK, let me hear the guitar solo" and when whoever plays it (denny dias?) fagen screams Holy Fuck! and through the rest of the solo you can hear him just flipping out at how good it is...one of my favorite rarities. I'm on limewire for the duration of sat. nite if anyone wants it

douglas eklund (skolle), Saturday, 22 October 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link


i cried when i wrote this song
sue me if i play too long
this brother is free
i'll be what i want to be

nuff said huh?

tricky (disco stu), Sunday, 23 October 2005 02:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Anybody remember which critic made the (correct) observation that Fagen was a better singer at the high end of his vocal range than when he sang within his mid-range?

M. V. (M.V.), Sunday, 23 October 2005 06:48 (eighteen years ago) link

who's more yacht rock, palmer or fagen?

LOGGINS!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 23 October 2005 06:49 (eighteen years ago) link

No way, man, he sold out. Fuckin' Ramis and Steve Perry.

disco violence (disco violence), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

you were in my dream last night, mr. violence. donut bitch (or whatever he's calling himself lately) and i were in your area and we kept calling you to see if you wanted to come out funning with us, but you didn't want to go.

katrina vanden roffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Loggins is more like restored obscure crappy motorbike rock.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 23 October 2005 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Naked Lunch (1959)

Author: William Burroughs

“I’m a Steely Dan fan so naturally I wanted to read the book they thought compelling enough to name their band after an element of.”

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link

did anyone here read the liner notes written by walter becker for spinal tap's "break like the wind" album?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I love this band. Most of the music I listen to has nothing to do with "advanced musical theory" or "technique" but Steely Dan have made me so passionate about improving my guitar playing from a technical standpoint. And even beyond the fantastic guitar solos, they had the sweetest chord progressions around.

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Monday, 2 January 2006 11:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Katy Lied is the best album of 1975. WHO'S WITH ME?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

ILM

gear (gear), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

most steely hate has been rockist; the folks i know who've discounted steely entirely (as opposed to the folks who dislike the later era stuff), generally had that disco sucks problem and resented any kind of melding of jazz and pop and disco. there's probably a resurgence of love for steely b/c that same crowd is now finding their way into glossiness/crystallization/disco due to its current hipness.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link

and i resent those people.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:39 (eighteen years ago) link

There are disco elements in Steely Dan?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link

and they're all busting out with their love they share very together and wanting to dance with each other, my sister claiming she never laughed at the petshop boys, WHERE'S YOUR HOMOPHOBIA GONE TO NOW, LITTLE GIRL??? this is what pitchfork should be talking about since they love to talk about trends.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry, i haven't read most of the thread, i just get so IRRITATED at these "maybe we should return to our old biases b/c hey that was a sizable trend too so there must have been a good reason for it. its like FINE! DO THAT!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

eh, don't worry about it Susan. they're trends, stupid people follow them, and they will continue to find new hip views to replace their old hip views and it's no skin off your back.

fkjfkfjfkj, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

There are disco elements in Steely Dan?

they admitted once in an interview that "glamour profession" MIGHT have been a conspicuous ripoff of "cherchez la femme."

it was jody that killed the beast (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Peg has a pretty strong disco backbone

Baaderonixx born in Xyxax (baaderonixx), Thursday, 5 January 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

"Babylon Sisters" played at 45 is totally a Labelle song

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Saturday, 21 January 2006 09:13 (eighteen years ago) link

orbit is embarrassing on this thread

gear (gear), Saturday, 21 January 2006 09:21 (eighteen years ago) link

on this thread

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Saturday, 21 January 2006 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Fagen: Maestro, the picture I have of Italian filmmaking comes mainly from Fellini films like 8 1/2 and La Dolce Vita. When you were scoring spaghetti westerns in the '60's, was the scene really swinging?
Morricone: La Dolce Vita focused on a small group of people who got up at 11 P.M. and lived at night. While I, then as now, got up at five in the morning to compose and was asleep by nine in the evening.

Fagen: Your music has always had a life here in America apart from the films. In the past few years, though, your influence has surfaced in a lot of rock music and in the works of "avant-garde" composers. Why is this music from 25-year old Italian westerns the talk of the town?

Morricone: I don't know. You tell me.

Fagen: Well...

Morricone: But I have a hypothesis. When I begin a theme in a certain key, say, D minor, I never depart from this original key. If it begins in D minor, it ends in D minor. This harmonic simplicity is available to everyone.

Fagen: But isn't it true that the Leone films, with their elevation of mythic structures, their comic book visual style and extreme irony, are now perceived as signaling an aesthetic transmutation by a generation of artists and filmmakers? And isn't it also true that your music for those films reflected and abetted Leone's vision by drawing on the same eerie catalog of genres - Hollywood western, Japanese samurai, American pop, and Italian Opera? That your scores functioned both "inside" the film as a narrative voice and "outside" the film as the commentary of a winking jester? Put it all together and doesn't it spell "postmodern", in the sense that there has been a grotesque encroachment of the devices of art and, in fact, an establishment of a new narrative plane founded on the devices themselves? Isn't that what's attracting lower Manhattan?

Morricone: [ shrugs ]

Fagen: What about your use of unusual solo instruments? You've hired Zamfir, master of the pan-flute. You've featured whistlers and the human voice. Do you hear a specific color when you watch a scene?

Morricone: When I write a passage, I find out who's available. If the violinist I want is out of town, I'll use, say, a great flute player who is on a day layover in Rome. Sometimes its even simpler. In The Mission, the character in the film plays the oboe, so...

Fagen: After scoring so many films, it must be hard to come up with fresh ideas.

Morricone: I saw The Untouchables on Monday, I thought of the main theme in the cab back to the hotel and played it for De Palma on Tuesday.

Fagen: You've worked with many directors, each who must present a different set of problems for the composer. I have a list here. What was it like working for Bertolucci?

Morricone: Bellisimo!

Fagen: Pontecorvo?

Morricone: He is my old friend, bellisimo!

Fagen: John Boorman?

Morricone: Bellisimo!

Fagen: Terence Malick?

Morricone: A man with bad luck but bello, bellisimo!

Fagen: Roman Polanski?

Morricone: Bellisimo!

Fagen: Brian De Palma?

Morricone: Bellisimo!

Fagen: Leone?

Morricone: Bellisimo!

Fagen: Your scores for Leone in particular had a very sly humor. Will you be composing for any comic or semicomic films in the near future?

Morricone: If they offer. I can only choose from the films that are offered me.

Fagen: Maestro, are there days when you wish you were still playing the trumpet?

Morricone: The trumpet was exhausting. I have always wanted to compose.

gear (gear), Saturday, 21 January 2006 10:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm thinking of getting the "Reelin' in the Years" biography. Is it any good? What about the SD "Companion" written by the same author?

Baaderonixx, born again in Xixax (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

It's ok – I read a fair chunk at Borders a few weeks ago.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

gear where's that interview from?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

The bio is awesome but could have really used some current quotes (Becker & Fagen declined to be interviewed for it). As it is, all the interview bits are archival. Other than that, highly recommended for the sheer range of information alone.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

the interview is from premiere magazine, i don't know when...

i guess fagen did a few columns for them at some point!

gear (gear), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm gonna address everyone i meet as "maestro" from now on.

stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

maestro, what's your favorite steely dan album?

gear (gear), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

maestro

stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

The Austin Maestro:

http://www.vpoc.info/vpmaestro/6.JPG

P.S. Guess why the UK's car industry is dead

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

As I put on Pretzel Logic for the 1st time, I was like wtf, but since I'd put the album on repeat while computerizing all afternoon I soon caught myself singing along.

I'm computerizing to Pretzel Logic today!

I like it (first listen), but is it possible to love this band if you're a total non-musician?

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

but is it possible to love this band if you're a total non-musician?

I seriously doubt everyone who bought "Aja" was a musician.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link


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