list of involuntary reactions to the new le tigre 'single'

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Hey Sterling, two guys did step up to prove the 'straight guys going on about wanting to be lesbians'. I don't exactly understand that - it's like cows who are fooled by the slaughter yard having those circular corridors.

--, Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yeah. but on the other hand... Mock Lesbians

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 22 August 2004 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

mei: there's a link upthread!
-- ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (j.dubz@RoffleStationZero), August 20th, 2004.


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Quicktime video links from the letigre site:
download

streaming


-- arch Ibog (archibog...), August 20th, 2004.


But that link doesn;t work (for me) using WinXP and IE6.
Where is it here?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/morethanrats/universal2.jpg


Or is it somewhere here?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/morethanrats/universal1.jpg

because the scrollbar arrows don't work for me.
I'm bot stupid, I'm using a common browser and I've tried hard to find the video, but I can't. Universal need new web-designers!

mei (mei), Monday, 23 August 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link

oh no i have accidentally played this on repeat three times now and i think i am mad

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha "accidentally"...

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

His finger could have slipped on the mouse button, why must you be so cruel?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

the lemurs tell me to rebuke your vile mocking

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Are they friendly lemurs? Is any one of them named Joey?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Can't get it either. Following the details in the URL, it diverts to the main Universal webpage. I'm guessing it's down for one stupid web reason or another.

Shame. Song's terrible, but I want to see the vid too.

KG

Kieron Gillen, Monday, 23 August 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Whew, I'm back.

When listening to a KORN track brings you back to some semblance of balance, you know you've been exposed to an awful song. I mean, the simple sloganeering and all don't bother me nearly as much as the feeling that I've heard this song about 500 times since 1988, only it was called "Def Con One"/"Touched By The Hand Of Cicciolina"/"You And Me And Everything"/"Cocaine Sex"/"Psyche-Out"/"World In Motion"/etc.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

A beautiful review, sir. And what is it about the technology they're using to make the track that it sounded like it's being broadcast through gauze.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link

"i use a bullshit mic, that's made outta plastic"

it sounds like EBN trying to "go positive" - not as bad as people here have been saying, for exactly the reasons Dan points out in his last sentence, but just as bad as a positive-thinking, slow-tempo EBN record would be

i think some "show, don't tell" might be in order here

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 23 August 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

SWEAT...SUIT....SWEAT...SUIT

oh, Nelly!

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with Tracer that it isn't that bad; I like all of the songs I listed but if I want to hear something that sounds like late 80s/early 90s grebocrunch, I play one of the above records. Also, accidentally putting it into an MP3 player that's set to repeat and not noticing for ten minutes because the song seems to have no discernable beginning or end doesn't bode well for its construction as a standalone piece of music.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

so i finally heard it. it kinda sounds like what i'd expect chilean death squads to play over soccer stadium speakers to crush the spirits of dissidents. so, hey, maybe it's "working."

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

ha! ;)

sexyDancer, Monday, 23 August 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how the people who says its not that bad all say it because they've endured lots of shit like this back in the late '80s. I cherish my innocence and continue to say this is some embarassing crap.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

And I think I'll put off buying that Wax Trax box set.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Your loss, dude.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

you would say that

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course! Because I'm right!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

FOR THE RECORD none of the records I mentioned were associated with Wax Trax! (except MAYBE the Shamen record).

Also FOR THE RECORD another listen shows that this song is, um, really really embarrassing. It's like they listened to On-U Sound System and said, "You know what would really make this style great? MAKING IT SUCK LIKE VACUUM!"

I am all for facile sloganeering but this doesn't work for me (largely because it is shit). Following it up with Limited Warranty's "The Man In The Can" is giving me great pleasure, though.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

the wax trax reference if anything should reaffirm my innocence (ignorance) re: late '80s sound collages.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"Kray Twins" is a good follow up, too

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"Kray Twins" after said LT song is like going from eating horsemeat hash to the finest filet mignon.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh god, why didn't I think of this sooner? THE LE TIGRE SONG IS ACTUALLY MAKING ME THINK CONSOLIDATED WERE MASTERS OF RESTRAINT.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeastie Girls redux etc etc

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahahaha I was going to list "Dysfunctional Relationship" in my above litany of songs but I couldn't remember what it was called!

Also Consolidated had much better beats what with the Jack Dangers influence.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Absolutely. And as Chris just noted the Yeasties guest turn on "You Suck" makes for a WAY frickin' better song all around than this...thing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

what the fuck is momus on about on this thread?

the only thing that lends his opinion any interest here is that fact that it's contrary to the general tone of the thread. but the actual reasoning behind it is pathetic: politics and aesthetics are inextricable; the song opposed u.s. entry into a war that momus rightly opposed as well; hence, it is a good song. i don't think he would brave this "logic" elsewhere would it not have allowed for a "controversial" opinion.

amateur!!st, Monday, 23 August 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

(haha "on this thread")

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

It was a ridiculous flail from him here. I had to laugh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't heard any WBAI/Pacifica lately - have they caught on to this track yet? It is inevitable!

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

http://condor.depaul.edu/~history/chicago/chicago_images/baskets.jpg

women be shopping

amateur!!st, Monday, 23 August 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"the white collar comedy tour"

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

The fact that the song contains the chant "THIS IS WHAT HIPOCRISY SOUNDS LIKE" is cracking me up. I know what was meant but still...

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

This is the excuse, that they're making, they're making...

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 23 August 2004 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

If you changed the word "Peace" to "War" this piece of garbage could just as easily be used as a fucking RECRUITING song, do you realize?

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:36 (nineteen years ago) link

If you change the word "Peace" to "Ebeneezer Goode" this piece of garbage...

One thing I'll say for this piece of garbage, it makes Ministry sound as hard as they did in 1989. "Thieves" and "Burning Inside" are real palette-cleansers.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:50 (nineteen years ago) link

HEEEEEEEELLOOOOOOOOOO

WE ARE LENE LOVICH UND NEEEEEEEENNA XXXXHHHHAAGEN

AND WE ASK YOU TO...

DON'T KEEL THE ANEEMALZ
DON'T KEEL THE ANEEMALZ
THE ANEEMALZ ARE FREE
FREEEEE, FREEEEE, FREEEEE, FREEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Lene Lovich & Nina Hagen, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 06:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Jesus Christ. I made it halfway through the video, and that was only on the strength of my fondness for the lady with the moustache. None of this would be happening if Steinski was still alive.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Lookit, it's their new press kit.

And this album cover is pretty classic:


Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, the image apparently is not working, but it is at that above link.....

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

A vast improvement over the music.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

their bio:

This is what democracy looks like; this is what democracy sounds like!

On February 15, 2003, Le Tigre members JD Samson, Johanna Fateman and Kathleen Hanna joined hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers in chanting this refrain to protest the impending US war on Iraq. Though it was a massive march, one that mirrored hundreds of others around the world that day, it ended up barely a soundbite in the news later that evening. But J.D. captured it all on her mini-disc recorder, and the refrain became the rallying cry on "New Kicks," the first single off of Le Tigre's major-label debut, This Island.

"New Kicks" is constructed from samples of dissenting voices at that rally, layered over jagged guitar riffs and a kick-up-your-heels drumbeat. It's a buoyant exercise in radical documentation, a tribute to resistance, and a reflection of Le Tigre's deep convictions that it's within their artistic scope to hold policy-makers--and the media interests that represents them--accountable for their actions.

The idea of democratic process speaks volumes about how Le Tigre work together, and why it is so difficult to ascribe fixed roles to the band-mates. They work on every track as a team, picking out samples, making beats, adding keyboard lines, guitar parts, and vocals, passing their hard-drives back and forth. JD explains, "After our 2002 summer tour, we each got identical Protools setups for our apartments. We became totally compatible, able to pick up where the other left off in the song-writing process." Adds Kathleen, "This time we had so much more control, so many more options because we were able to do non-linear editing in our home studios – it was like going from a typewriter to a computer."

Le Tigre co-produced This Island with Nicholas Sansano, renowned for his studio work with Sonic Youth and Public Enemy, and the band says he was instrumental in tailoring much of This Island for the dancefloor. But Le Tigre still write all of their material and each is a innovative producer in her own right. "I think just 'cuz we're women, people tend to think that somebody else is writing all our songs. But we do it all ourselves. We don’t have The Matrix over here, or a team of male DJs making our beats for us," says Kathleen.

The result of Le Tigre's collaboration is a deliriously addictive, hybrid sound the band calls "feminist punk electronic music." It's a mix of drum-machine samples, synth hooks, buzzing guitar loops, gang vocals, and foolproof bass-lines. "TKO" and "After Dark" -- which will be released as the first radio singles off the album -- are the irresistibly danceable, anthemic tracks with thought-provoking lyrics that fans worldwide have come to expect from the band. But this time Le Tigre's signature style has been taken to the next level -- their underground aesthetics are thrown into relief by a strategic pop sheen, and the sonic richness of This Island matches the band’s ambition to, as Kathleen says, "make our message something you can feel in your body."

Those who recall Hanna, and her former band Bikini Kill, as an influential voice in the early '90s feminist punk-rock riot grrrl movement, won't be surprised that songs like "New Kicks" and the hair-raising anti-Bush screed "Seconds" are blistering indictments of the current administration. But what may raise eyebrows is how deep This Island delves into the personal lives of the band members such as the hauntingly beautiful "Tell You Now," (produced by the legendary Cars frontman Ric Ocasek) and "Don't Drink Poison," which pairs a sped-up guitar riff and frenetic beat to a "story about feminist espionage." Johanna explains that the lyrics refer to " the coded way we communicate with each other, and how we survive together as a band through bizarre and alienating situations. " There is also "Viz" (an abbreviation for "visibility") which is both an intimate narration of J.D.'s experience as a butch in the public eye, and a hooky club track celebrating lesbian cultural presence and queer community.

Le Tigre's roots go all the way back to a Bikini Kill show in Portland, Oregon: Johanna, in the audience, was impressed and intrigued, and approached Kathleen to give her a copy of her feminist art zine, Snarla. The two became fast friends, and when Kathleen moved to New York soon after producing her first solo venture, Julie Ruin, she asked to Johanna to help her produce it for the stage. The two ended up writing new songs altogether, along with their friend video-maker Sadie Benning. Shortly after the release of Le Tigre's self-titled debut, Sadie left the band to pursue her art career, and JD Samson, formerly a technician/roadie with the band, became a full-fledged member of Le Tigre.

Since then, they have released the EP From the Desk of Mr. Lady, the album Feminist Sweepstakes, and a collection of remixes. And while Le Tigre has garnered much praise for their catchy and risk-taking recordings, their electrifying stage show has won them a loyal and passionate following. With video accompaniment, choreography, and matching outfits they show their commitment to "putting on a show," and have established themselves as an unmatched live phenomenon. Le Tigre has toured extensively -- in the United States, Europe, and Japan -- and most recently performed at this past April's Coachella, the alternative music festival in the Southern California desert.

But Johanna holds firm that while Le Tigre has grown -- they are poised for the release of their most musically sophisticated record yet on the major label Strummer/Universal -- the band's values have not changed. They are keeping one foot firmly planted in the underground, evidenced by the launch of their own independent label, Le Tigre Records, on which they will re-release their entire back catalog. Says Johanna, "Our D.I.Y. background and our history with Mr. Lady, which was a small, radical-feminist lesbian label, is a really important part of who we are today. Without that history we wouldn't have the confidence and ambition to seek a wider audience."

"We want to kick the door open for more radical art to be better funded, and we want to have a greater influence on culture as a whole," she continues. To that end, each band member is involved in other projects and has strong ties to an overlapping feminist/art/music scene. Kathleen recently wrote the preface to Scheherazade, an all-women's comic book anthology edited by Megan Kelso, and curated a gallery show of work by conceptual photographer Tammy Rae Carland; Johanna co-wrote a catalog essay for the 2004 Whitney biennial; J.D. created a lesbian calendar in collaboration with photographer Cass Bird, and is also in a band called the New England Roses.

With pivotal issues like gay marriage, the right to choose, and a seemingly irresolvable war all coming to a head right now, Kathleen says, "It's incredibly important for us to have a presence in pop culture right now. JD adds, "We're excited to challenge mainstream media–I think people are ready for it."

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

We don’t have The Matrix over here, or a team of male DJs making our beats for us," says Kathleen.

hmmm

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

they've got another track up at letigreworld.com, called TKO. i'm not sure if i love it yet, but its a zillion light years better than new kicks. right now i'm buzzing out about the fact that i'll be in the states while they tour OMG OMG OMG!!!

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Where's that track?

mei (mei), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:46 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG OMG OMG Le Tigre cover version of "I'm so excited" in reggae version OMG!!!!!!!!!!

Hanna (Hanna), Friday, 27 August 2004 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I tend to wish KH'd take more of a hand in songwriting and they'd stop using the Beastie Boys as their model (this is exactly what the BBs said was their delightfully democratic artistic process in "Hello Nasty" interviews, I think)

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link


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