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Are MOP the schmucks that sample Thomas Dolby's "She Blinded Me With Science" on their new single?

I've never liked Cathedral, either.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

Dunno about Dolby (though that sounds like it could be cool!), but they've definitely sampled Foreigner's "Cold as Ice" before, and I think the Animals' "House of the Rising Sun" and Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger" as well.

chuck, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, Øystein H-O, are you saying there's a Die Kreuzen tribute album? That's crazy. I hate tribute albums except for country tributes to ZZ Top, but I might actually check this one out (for the Voivod track, if nothing else...)

chuck, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmm, so the new best-of CD by Strange Boutique (who were apparently from the Virginias or Carolinas or something--oops, DC I guess!, and who include former members of Madhouse {who I don't remember} and who toured with Killing Joke) registers to my ears as a nice metal album as well, even though the guitars frequently remind me of U2's "I Will Follow" and the vocals mainly remind me of Kate Bush -- weird, huh??

chuck, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:25 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, Øystein H-O, are you saying there's a Die Kreuzen tribute album?

Yeah, I just accidentally stumbled upon it when boredly browsing for Die Kreuzen info that day.
Supposed official site: The front page has a full track list.
I don't really care about tribute albums, but they're usually fun to hear once. Which is why Soulseek is such a blessing.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:19 (twenty years ago) link

I'm loving the new Alabama Thunderpussy. The new singer's great; part Axl, part Chris Robinson, part Phil Anselmo and just a little Gary Floyd. Plus, they've toned down some of the ultra-heavy stuff from the last record and moved back in the direction of Constellation, which is my favorite of their albums.

Today I'm rocking the 3-CD Scorpions set (not a box cause it's not in a box). I love the trippy psych-prog song "I'm Going Mad," from Lonesome Crow, that opens the first disc.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:24 (twenty years ago) link

Recent metal discovery (well I'll call them that): Earthless from San Diego, Mario from Clikitat/Rocket's newest other band. One long improv Sabbath-in-speed-mode instrumental made up their set yesterday and it was freakin' great. Emusic should have it up, I will scrounge for a link.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

Another new anthology I like of a goth-metallic old band I never heard of before: *Burning Image: 1983-1987,* on Alternative Tentacles.

chuck, Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

Phil (& Chuck), the "schmucks" that sample Dolby = Mobb Deep.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 June 2004 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

Finally getting around to the Cathedral album & completely loving it - Endtyme kinda bored me, but to my ears the hits are real toe-tappers. Still prefer anything Matt Pike does to anything else in the doom field, but I do like this Cathedral best-of a lot.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

Heard a few songs from the new Dillinger Escape Plan.
I thought they were starting to get a bit boring with Calculating Infinity, and hated the EP with Patton.
I guess this is slightly better than the EP, but this is nonetheless BAD!
Funniest bits are when the guy starts singing though! Yeesh.

This band really crashed and burned. A shame too, as that Under The Running Board EP really is something. Hopefully Converge aren't going the same way (admittedly they've so far gotten better with time) as they're the last band along these lines that I can honestly say I like.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

I'm afraid to hear a new Converge album. But it's my own fault. I put Jane Doe on such an impossibly high pedestal.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure I'm gonna get shit for this...does anybody on this thread besides me like Atreyu? I dig 'em; their songs are straight metalcore, but then they've got this lead guitarist who's in a total Iron Maiden power-metal fantasy world. It's a great combination.

Yeah, I like it. This album's a pretty cool combination of screamo and Swedish metal...the riffs and solos make the screamo stuff bearable. Kind of like Hatebreed meets Funeral For a Friend meets In Flames.

abegrand, Saturday, 12 June 2004 03:39 (twenty years ago) link

"I'm afraid to hear a new Converge album. But it's my own fault. I put Jane Doe on such an impossibly high pedestal. "

yeah, same here. where do you go from doe?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 12 June 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

(insert groans)

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 12 June 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

some choice quotes from a fat guy in atreyu in this months alternative press:

"Dude, I love everything. Except rap and country, which arent valid forms of music, except GARTH BROOKS."


"I fucking hate Metallica-flat out, fuck Metallica, fuck Black Sabbath. I dont give a fuck about the fucking "roots". Those arent my roots, so i don't fucking care. Everyone goes, "Gasp! You don't like Led Zeppelin?" I'm fucking 22 years old! I don't care! Green Day was more important to me, you know?"

sean marvin (williamtell), Saturday, 12 June 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

But I thought he said he loved everything.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 June 2004 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

These three records which I just reviewed for the Voice all have very noisy guitars on them:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0424/eddy1.php

chuck, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't Curse of the Golden Vampire's Mass Destruction come out last year? Not a big deal I guess.

Anyway, I really like it.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

where do you go from doe?

How to put this... there's always a been Re of hope for Mi so Fa? [note to self: fuck off]

The new Carcass best-of is probably more essential than the lackluster Cathedral one described above.

On the metalcore front, Between the Buried and Me is pretty fucking awesome. Fast shredding metalcore with macaroni guitar leads inserted here and there.

Debris Inc is a ruling doom rock / punk band with Dave Chandler of St. Vitus, Ron Holzner of Trouble, and Barry Stern of Zoetrope. Two very different mp3 minutes here: http://www.murdermetal.com/mm/here_are_some_un.htm

I saw a late-hour Bill Monroe show on PBS last night -- that guy was ten times as metal as Nightwish, even way back in the 1930s! God of fancy speed picking and total American doom.

And the full Emperor catalog should be reissued this fall. Yes, it needed to be already.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Emperor is the shit. Probably one of my favorite metal bands ever, and my favorite black metal band for sure.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 00:24 (twenty years ago) link

On second listen, *Ixtlan Radio* by Ewigkeit (from Germany, apparently, and released on Earache) sounds like, possibly, my heavy metal album of the year so far.

chuck, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

I got that in the mail and figured it had your name written all over it. I haven't listened to it yet.

I'm very disappointed by the new Neurosis. It seems like the further they get from metal, the more people like them. This one is mopey alt-drone-rock with occasional crunching sounds. I'm enjoying the 3-CD Scorpions box much more.

I don't know if C.Aarmé are metal or not (probably not, they sound like a heavier version of early Plugz to me), but I love their album. I sent you a review yesterday, Chuck. You should listen to the record; it's great.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

For real, Chuck? Whoa! Is sitting by the boombox in the kitchen downstairs & has been for a week: must listen now!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

Did anyone hear the Mayhem album that came out this year? Does anyone even care?

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

It's a decent album, but nothing spectacular. Sounds exactly as you would think.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

*Ixtlan Radio* by Ewigkeit

That's certainly a great name for both band and album...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:54 (twenty years ago) link

C.Aarmé is fucking awesome. I've been loving those guys for quite some time now. Not metal at all IMO, but still great.

Avi (Avi), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:03 (twenty years ago) link

So, um, I am listening to the new Lickgoldensky album, and they don't sound like generic Meshuggah/Dillinger Escape Plan stuff anymore after all! They sound like generic Jesus Lizard stuff instead. Mixed with a wee spot of death metal vomit, I guess. I still don't get what the big deal is. (Word on the street, though, is they do OUTLANDISH things live, though, like PLAYING FEEDBACK FOR A LONG TIME or even STARTING FIGHTS. Somebody even told me they remind him of GG Allin! I am getting more cynical by the minute, for obvious reasons.)

chuck, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:13 (twenty years ago) link

They sound like generic Jesus Lizard stuff instead.

Chuck I think if you side-by-sided them with the Jesus Lizard you'd have to own here that you're mainly just bustin' out the hate stick. When were the Jesus Lizard interested in any kind of production other than the dry, effect-less Albini model?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:18 (twenty years ago) link

I finally heard the Lickgoldensky. I like it okay. He does sound like Yow on some tracks, but that's fine with me. I don't know about big deals, but I was enjoying it okay. I was enjoying that Coliseum album too! I love that Discharge/Motorhead vibe. I was cranking that shee-it.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

The new Borknagar album is pretty good. Also, somebody burned me a replacement copy of Mercyful Fate's Don't Break The Oath, so I'm rockin' that.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

The production doesn't sound weird to me at all, John. I don't get where all this dub stuff or "experimenting with sound per se" etc is supposedly happening - there's a way more interesting use of beauty and space on any number of metal records to come out this year, including the Neurosis one. The most interesting things I've noticed so far on the Lickgoldensky is a guitar part that reminded me of early U2 and a part where they played the same drum beat for a long time. His singing is totally affected in that Yow kinda way, too...

chuck, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, wait, here's some GSL Records-type (Kill Me Tomorrow or Red Eyed Legends or whoever style) fuzziness and smokescreen blur, hidden at the end of Lickgoldensky track #9 (which had some ballady singing in it too.) Not bad, nothing lots of other bands haven't done lately, though....Again, I don't DISLIKE the record. It's more listenable than their last one. But it's just not that distinctive, that's all...

chuck, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:30 (twenty years ago) link

PS) Scott is right about Coliseum; they sound okay too...

chuck, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago) link

As does the new Black Keys album, *Rubber Factory,* which ends with a cover of the Blue Cheer version of "Summertime Blues" which = metal metal metal metal metal. (Their EP earlier the year with their cover of the Stooges' "No Fun" was fun, as well.)

chuck, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago) link

And oh yeah, Chris Ryan's *Blackout Money* EP is as worthy of the first two Foreigner albums (or 1979 Bad Company times 1978 Elvis Costello for that matter) as George Smith said it was in the Voice last week. And Rick Springfield's new album is the best Stone Temple Pilots album ever made (including their greatest hits one.)

chuck, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:43 (twenty years ago) link

And this new reissue of Kansas's 1974 debut album, which I am shamed to say I never heard before today, may well rock harder than any of the above. I had no fucking idea. How come nobody told me, though???

chuck, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

And oh yeah oh yeah (sorry but I'm on a roll of procrastination here), the new Paybacks album is called *Harder and Harder* because they are a HARD ROCK band (and a very hard rocking one at that), not a garage-rock band. It's a very very very entertaining record.

chuck, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago) link

And (okay, last one, I promise, unless it's not) Thor's new *A Rock Odyssey: Beastwoman from the Center of the Earth* is far more useful than the previous Thor album I attempted to listen to, whenever that may have been. (It's not even close, in fact.) The new one sounds like it could've easily been recorded by a glam-disco-metal AOR band from Vancouver circa 1979 or so, and few higher compilments exist.

chuck, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

And this new reissue of Kansas's 1974 debut album, which I am shamed to say I never heard before today, may well rock harder than any of the above.

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I feel you on the LGS/Gold Standard thing, and yeah, there's some of the Yow affectation, but Yow didn't exactly cut that from whole cloth...I just like 'em a whole lot, thing there's a sort of blender ethos goin' on, but yeah I can see where my blender is your derivative - all's cool - meanwhile, I must here boast for the first time in a while that I MET THOR when he played at Yo Yo a Go Go a couple years back, and it RULED

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

meanwhile, of all the metal to come through my mailbox recently, the new Insision is just kickin' my I-like-death-metal-and-it-need-not-be-terrifically-innovative-to-thrill-me ass all day. I have seriously listened to it more times this week, and with increasing enjoyment I might add, than anything else.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone heard the new Wuthering Heights album, Far From the Madding Crowd? It's as if Dio-era Rainbow was reborn as a Swedish metal band. Pretty damn good (and does that singer ever sound like Ronnie), although they win the award for worst song title of the year with "Bad Hobbits Die Hard"...

The new Susperia is also sounding great these days. Very Testament-ish.

abegrand, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

Who put out the new Susperia? I liked an album of theirs a few years back. Another favorite from the same period though, Darkane, totally went to hell on the followup to their excellent Insanity (NB not "went to hell" as in "exceeded in their genre," neither)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

I keep listening to that damned Ragnarok album and I know for a fact that there is nothing terribly innovative about it.

What was Thor like, John?

I think "Bad Hobbits Die Hard" is funny!

(Chuck, those Nektar reissues sound rad! Thanks for sending them my way. Lemme know if you need anything on them.)

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

Hated the new Thor; like the new Insision despite their being totally non-innovative, like John implied; also like the new Carnal Forge - they've gone from ripping off Slayer/The Haunted to ripping off Lamb Of God, a positive evolution.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Thor played with Nardwaur's band and was more good-at-their-instruments-punks-tryin'-to-be-metal than actual metal, and more punk than anything; he didn't do a whole show, just came out and did a couple of songs and tried to blow up a hot water balloon. Talking to him afterwards he was a total delight, real together, clearly used to answering questions whose underlying question has to do with rising & falling in the biz. I wrote about the show here - don't remember if the article's much good or not but I remember it being a lot of fun to write!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

Halfway through Nardwaur vs. Gene Simmons, the elder Thor appears from behind a bush in the hotel lobby, and Nardwaur asks "Do you remember sleeping with this guy's wife?"

The THOR - Mutant demos LP pressed last year in edition of 3-500 vinyls is mighty good. "Sweat Love" grinds.

Heard Vince Neil's cover of "I Fought the Law" yesterday -- it was no fun.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 00:28 (twenty years ago) link

Ian there are a lot of great Nardwaur stories but I have to say that's one of the best I've ever heard. Holy shit.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 03:02 (twenty years ago) link

i just watched "zombie nightmare" starring mr. thor (actually second billing, right under adam west and over tia carrere). good soundtrack, at least (girlschool, motorhead, thor, etc).

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 03:11 (twenty years ago) link


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