Are white people who say "I don't like hip hop" yet listen to it when white people make it really saying "i don't like black people"?

ummm, no - its authors are perhaps as likely to harbor the same attitude (except, no, because that style of music was where a LOT of gay musicians could work back in the day), but unless you know something about 30's music that I don't, you didn't hear a lot of people calling people faggots in it. It was theater music, and theater has historically (at least from Roman times) been a place where gay men & women could work relatively unharassed.

I'm not grasping at straws; I'm just wondering (pointlessly) against why predominantly white male ilm will fight the good fight against any possible latent racist tendency anywhere while ignoring, soft-soaping, excusing, or glossing over misogyny and homophobia, which are both of them as virulent, harmful, and wrong as racism is

I'm afraid I'm a little in over my head even posting in this thread, and I know I'm responding to a tangent, but just a thought on why people might be slower to condemn things like use of the word "bitch" in hip-hop than racism in music. There's a certain amount of tension between the sexes that's just kind of a given in pop music (hip-hop totally doesn't have the monopoly on this), because so much of the subject matter is sex/relationships. and because men are historically better-represented as musicians, songwriters, whatever, there's a lot more hostility to women out there in song lyrics than there is hostility to men. so it can be hard to ascertain how much derogatory references to women in rap lyrics are, you know, deep down misogyny, and how much are an epiphenomenon of the real issue, which is about accumulated heartbreak, or whatever. obviously there are numerous clear-cut instances of misogyny, but I do think it can be fairly subjective. none of this is to excuse what I think Thomas was suggesting, that maybe dudes get a thrill out of the misogyny in rap lyrics.

on the homophobia, I've got nothing.

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what ilm are you reading?

I'm not tryna fuck an indian bitch in a hurry/'cause you know they pussy smells of curry

-Kool G. Rap-chack da bitch

Yo, what was that kids name ?

utter bullshit. and there isn't a "female answer record for every sexist jam" - all the fucking jams are sexist! fuckin' ALL of them! calling women "bitches" is sexist, period, just like whites using the N-word is racist whether they mean any harm by it or not - that you're desensitized to it (or don't give a shit about about women's cultural or subcultural status) doesn't mean it's all a-ok

Name a rock single in the top 40 from the 1960s with the words "marijuana" or "LSD" in it.

I want to say something about the use of the word "bitch," but I can't formulate it without sounding like a self-hater, so...

The same way you listen to rock?

I'm not gonna get on a high horse about minstrelsy --- to me thats just a word for a kind of awkward cultural conversation that there's no way around ---- but it does seem kind of weak-ass to say OH THE CARICATURES NOWADAYS ARE SO MUCH WORSE cause back then race relations were cute but when I hear these folks shouting angry things in the street right outside my window in the present tense goodness sakes I just find that distasteful!!!

fucking hell athens all over this thread now!

now see what ann coulter was tryna say here, without actually saying it or anything, of course,, is that as a woman she feels threatened by the sexist laws of modern islam, and its perfectly within her rights to feel that, as a woman, you know

How about Sage Fagcis ?

the homophobia dynamic is different (that's why it's the one you prefer to address) - the sexism one isn't, except that it's worse, because it's a population who unquestionably holds most/all (ymmv) of the power using language ("bitch," "ho") to subjugate/further subjugate the historically disenfranchised population - men calling women "bitch" is no less hurtful, nor less odious, than white men calling black men by the N-word

x-post trife you gotta get off coulter's jock one of these days

citation?