for my part, i think it misdescribes the dynamics of what actually happened with keef; the gawker article only provoked a critical article from smoking section & a single global grind interview on its own. It wasn't for a couple months, while major artists cosigned keef on twitter, that labels & publications started to pay attention, and it wasn't until the Kanye cosign that labels felt obliged to do so.
further, this: "Over the last year, Keef has become a legitimate street star in his hometown Chicago and could have built up a national celebrity à la Gucci Mane or Lil Wayne. Instead, his narrative rushed his infectious but under-polished Waka Flocka-inspired local hits into the peak of the internet hype cycle."
seems problematic. what makes 'i dont like,' which just hit the hot 100, any more under-polished than, say, 'o lets do it' by waka.
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
"The fans sort out the stars themselves, forcing the rest of the industry – cool-kid blogs included – to play catch-up later."
but then, if the 'cool kid blogs' bother to keep up with the fans, they're responsible for throwing him into the internet hype cycle, or whatever
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
i think my post upthread is more otm than noz' pouty jaded blogger blues, it's too early to call & he really just needs like 1 more hit sometime in the next year, could so easily happen. like the shittiest thing about the internet hype cycle has always been the rush to declare trends over, artists bust. reminds me of how last january whiney was freaking out about how we named the thread "gun sounds" when waka had already been in pitchfork and the fader. personally don't see a huge diff between 2 chainz, future, meek mill & chief keef, and like, how does waka even fit into this story?
― flopson, Thursday, 7 June 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
deej youre like the regional thug caramanica throwin off the hype cycle
― flopson, Thursday, 7 June 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
end of day an interesting story is an interesting story. i've been critical of kitty pryde coverage b/c i don't think it's an interesting story
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Thursday, 7 June 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
like, im not mad that hype isn't "just" about the music (as if such a thing is even possible)
when she collabs with chief keef u will change your dn to goon caramanica tho
― flopson, Thursday, 7 June 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago) link
also noz is probably bitter because odd future have flopped since he nursed them into internet hype cycle life
― flopson, Thursday, 7 June 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
btw link to ur post upthread i dont know what it is
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Thursday, 7 June 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
noz is just tired i think
― Number None, Thursday, 7 June 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
i think he gets a little caught up in putting different people on arbitrary sides of an ARTISTRY vs. CHASING CASH false binary instead of putting things plainer, more frank terms
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Thursday, 7 June 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
i think there's some truth to what he's saying in the keef example in the sense that his increased visibility has definitely led to a string of collabs that have been pretty underwhelming, and there's certainly a chance that his next full tape will be bogged down by a bunch of guests. that said... is that deej's fault? no, of course not. and deej's post is pretty accurate. the gawker story has 65k views right now, which by gawker's standards is not really a huge number (no offense to deej).
the rap universe in general is shrinking, the underground and pop are coming together... 2 chainz is a good counter example to the sort of come-up that he's talking about, but it's not like at this point where he guests on every single rap song that he's not as much a part of the problem. i'm not sure why pop charts are not as accessible to rappers anymore, but that's as much to do with what noz is talking about as do blogs.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:15 (twelve years ago) link
i feel bad for anyone who one minute has their own career, no matter how big or small, and then the next has almost no choice but to take a seemingly important opportunity in front of them and turn their biggest song into a posse cut shitshow with pusha t and big sean
after getting kanye's "i don't like" verse stuck in my head for like half a day last week i would like to declare it the worst rap of 2012 hands down btw
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:18 (twelve years ago) link
TRIFECTA
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:22 (twelve years ago) link
oh wait that's pusha's
keef is a bit of a tough example because he's so young and theoretically so impressionable, but all rappers regardless of how they came up are eating each other just to stay alive. dreamchasers 2 has way too many guests. once you reach a certain level right now, regardless of how you come up, you're going to feel pressure to cave to that mentality where you check off all the right guests (wale! 2 chainz! big sean!) etc. that's probably my main gripe with rap right now, and blogs are only a small part in that.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:23 (twelve years ago) link
"pay homage, or k's vomit" is a great line in that pusha verse
blogs did topple the old models of both A&R & hype, but i don't think that explains rap's shrinking market in pop
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:25 (twelve years ago) link
i don't really get all the talk about guests on Dreamchasers 2, the first Dreamchasers also had guests on about half the tracks, nearly all major label artists (if of generally lower star power). not a huge leap or change of approach at all imo.
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
uh idk dude. he went from young chris, beanie sigle, rick ross (three times), yo gotti & some philly rappers to drake, jeremih, big sean (twice), kendrick lamar, fabolous, french montana, wale (twice), 2 chainz & mac miller. i think the homogenization is pretty obvious.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
obviously this won't happen but i'd prefer if the pre-album mixtapes be collaboration heavy and then the actual album be more about showcasing the artist.
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:32 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think his original post was per se about me, and seemed more targeted at the headline i didn't write, but nonetheless i thought it was overstated. the story is resonating with people as much as the music, sure, but i'm not sure that i see them as intractable
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
wait. i misused that word. i meant you cant pull apart the music & teh story
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:39 (twelve years ago) link
i didn't even know he was on house arrest. but then i don't know shit about shit.
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
should pt out that the piece was actually at like 45k views until the kanye cosign
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Thursday, 7 June 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
yeah most of the collabs have been so-so, although i liked the Trel track. "Finessin" is probably the best post-mixtape track, and its just aite relative to "3hunna" or w/e
i'm interested to hear it, although i'm willing to bet that once summer comes around keef's buzz will have dimmed & louie's will have risen slightly just based on the material i've heard from each recently & the assumption that louie will start to flood the streets
this is speaking purely of local coverage, btw
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Thursday, 7 June 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
reflecting some more, it kind of seems to me like rap bloggers are almost more mad that their jobs are to be bloggers than anything else. like, there's not a zone for rap blogs or publications where you can actually weigh in on the relative merits (& lack thereof) of an artist; instead, all that happens is someone on rap radar is forced to post about keef so they just express how much they think he sucks, and post about him. meanwhile the fans are just posting I DONT LIKE on twitter over & over (guilty, or i was) & there's a lot of noise and he ends up in magazines & people just feel angry about how it feels like hes being forced on them
im saying this because lately it feels like a lot of people have come at me as if i'm blindly endorsing any & all keef material, or that i couldn't possibly have nuanced opinions about his work, or dislike some & like others, or see his relative shortcomings. i dont think anyone who likes some of keef's music has really inflated him to be something he's not, and so the backlash ends up feeling out of proportion
i complained about something similar w/ the killer mike record, just felt like a lot of the enthusiasm was a bit over the top & possibly affected by political sympathies, and i was like, i'd just like to see some more substantive critical writing about it that didn't take his general agreeableness as an inherent positive, and got someone saying NOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT KEEF and i was like, wait, what?? b/c locally hes just SO controversial, i didn't think ANYONE was blanket pro-keef, he seems super divisive, but i guess when you live in an area where the real buzz is more distant and all you see is a few stories i've written about him that don't go into much music criticism & are more journalistic in nature, followed by a bunch of blogs/tumblrs picking up on it, you might see it as blanket enthusiasm?
idk been thinking about this stuff
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Thursday, 7 June 2012 04:36 (twelve years ago) link
i guess end of day i don't get why it matters that hip press jumped on him, as if there wasn't a soulja boy or a d4l or any other number of rappers who had big regional hits that came out of nowhere. this seems like an excuse to bemoan hype w/out actually addressing that its the music people like about this, if the music wasn't there, if 'i don't like' wasn't charting (w/out the remix), then maybe he'd have a point
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Thursday, 7 June 2012 06:07 (twelve years ago) link
like, if i hadn't written about this what would the difference be? a few months extra time spent through word of mouth until someone else cosigned him?
shit was going to happen period
eh... Cuz My Gear is great imo, one of my songs of the year so far. Partly because of RiFF RaFF of course, but also partly because I always think the hook is really about Kanye and them who only want Keef for his "ear".
― longneck, Thursday, 7 June 2012 10:20 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit england what are you doing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCTxMZrPAYo&feature=branded
what a shitshow
"i got her brain training - no DS" *barfs*
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 June 2012 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
can obama ban "(feat. Wale)"?
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 June 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
not really feeling the new Curren$y so far :/
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 June 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
Rapper Lil Phat Killed in Atlanta Shooting.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rapper-lil-phat-killed-atlanta-shooting-335266
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, 8 June 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
i have spent a month trying to think of anything interesting to say about the future album and now i hate it
― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Saturday, 9 June 2012 12:10 (twelve years ago) link
i also REALLY hate spaceghostpurrp what is this shit?
yeah spaceghost is pretty stupid -- it SOUNDS good but it's just straight pastiche
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 9 June 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
He need's a ghost-writer... lol
― mikethegrouch, Saturday, 9 June 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think it even *sounds* good though.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Sunday, 10 June 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
i think i might have become an old person rap fan cuz i like this way more than most young rappers i hear these days. it's not ground-breaking or anything but it sounds gorgeous, most of the tracks have beats that really push my pleasure buttons. the two singles are two of my favourites over the past year and the rest of the album supports them nicely.
i grant that it doesn't feel massively exciting but i think this might be a function of krit's mixtapes having already provided us with as much krit as we really "need". the mixtape-to-album transition seems pretty vexed right now for a lot of rappers, either stylistically or just in terms of over-saturation.
― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Sunday, 10 June 2012 08:28 (twelve years ago) link
uhhh wrong thread never mind!
Boo Rossini ft Lil Boosie - Money Cash Hoeshttp://www.sharebeast.com/sir2r30m05ht
this song, this is my kind of song
― sisilafami, Sunday, 10 June 2012 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://soundcloud.com/sofowl/spark-up-prod-clockwork-muzik
FowL - Spark Up
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Sunday, 10 June 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
Hey goons. We're covering 'Loyalty' by Invy da Truth over at TSJ this week. Admittedly, I haven't been on top of rap this year as much as I'd like, but I didn't think I'd heard about him from any of y'all, and the track (esp. the production, but Invy as well) is pretty great, imo.
http://www.egotripland.com/invy-da-truth-loyalty/
Any thoughts? Anyone know what his deal is? For some reason I think I read somewhere that he's from Chicago.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 10 June 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
ego trip says hes from detroit
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Sunday, 10 June 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
myspace said chicago - http://www.myspace.com/invy22 - but who can trust myspace.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 10 June 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
St Spittin 'Lighters & Ink Pens Vol. 1' has some jams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gp_MBudC94https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHG8qz1LMZI
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 11 June 2012 06:16 (twelve years ago) link
Spark Up is awesome.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 11 June 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
I never read the Gawker piece before. Gotta say, DJ Kenn's story is kind of amazing, somehow more interested in that...
― MikoMcha, Monday, 11 June 2012 09:19 (twelve years ago) link
agree
― tpp, Monday, 11 June 2012 10:12 (twelve years ago) link