Grace is obviously a fantastic, really musically accomplished and just plain beautiful album, though it took me a while to warm to it myself. Now I consider it one of the best of the 90s. Who has heard the recent 2cd + DVD edition? Is there anything on there that hasn't already been released on the various other odds 'n sods packages that is worth hearing?
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link
Who says I don't like Neil Diamond?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 25 February 2005 08:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 28 February 2005 06:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Classic.
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 28 February 2005 06:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― miss chievous grin (miss chevious grin), Monday, 28 February 2005 10:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 28 February 2005 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnney B (Johnney B), Monday, 28 February 2005 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, personally speaking, the notion that his mother was trolling around the `net, chastising JEFF'S FANS for discussing his music (when, the point could be made in the particular instance i was caught in, it was the BAD BRAINS who were actually getting short-changed) left quite a bad taste in my mouth, so much so that it almost completely put me off the man's music, which is a shame. I'd paste some of the comments that were made during the exchange (it was rumored that she also used a variety of pseudonymns), but .....hmmmm....I was going to say "why dig up old bones?" or "that's just water under the bridge", but I can't think of a colloquialism that isn't somehow in exceptionally poor taste.
In any case, it never struck me as a good idea that someone so close to the deceased should be in charge of his vaults. I'm sure her maternal instincts and deep feelings of loss amplified any legitimate legal grievances, so she's not really to be blamed, I suppose. Still, I can't listen to the stuff anymore without thinking of her sitting at a computer, foaming at the mouth, ripping her hair out and painting herself red with lipstick like Diane Ladd in "Wild at Heart".
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― henrod eldrix, Monday, 28 February 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― shookout (shookout), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― henrod eldrix, Monday, 28 February 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link
I really enjoyed seeing him live.
― shookout (shookout), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link
no YOU'RE WRONG.
I'M RIGHT OF COURSE. MY TASTE IS GOOD AND YOURS IS BAD. I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING AND YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING SO I WIN.
Loser.
― john clarkson, Monday, 28 February 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― PB, Thursday, 26 May 2005 03:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 26 May 2005 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Thursday, 26 May 2005 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 26 May 2005 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 26 May 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 26 May 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 26 May 2005 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 26 May 2005 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 26 May 2005 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link
Very kick-ass guitarist, very kick-ass vocalist, great taste in music/covers; had a great, sympathetic band. You'd have to be musically illiterate not to recognize his talents, even if you didn't like the particular idiom within which he worked... But then, ILM is a festering cesspool of anglophile/musical-illiterates...
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 26 May 2005 05:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― James.Cobo (jamescobo), Thursday, 26 May 2005 05:46 (nineteen years ago) link
I love "Mojo Pin" (especially the opening 45 seconds) and "Last Goodbye" and "So Real", really like "Grace" and "Lover..." and "Opened Once" and "Morning Theft", quite like most of the rest og Grace and CD1 (plus "Haven't You Heard" off CD2) of Sketches... and "Forget Her". The slavish worship by some people (such as the Aussie guy who's temping in my office) of him weirds me out a bit. But I generally don't like rock mythologising.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 May 2005 07:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 26 May 2005 07:45 (nineteen years ago) link
There were too many cover versions and "fill-ins" to be truly classic, and that they let off the only true "single" (for valid reasons granted) didn't help.
"Live at Sin'e" (deluxe) is the one.
The rest I don't have.
I don't know of many artists that were so immersed in music, not just their own, so on the whole I think "Classic" if only because he worked so hard for it.
And if "Taking sides" issuing live albums/demo collections/reformatting, well you don't have to buy them. They will run out of stuff, and that will be it.
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 26 May 2005 07:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 26 May 2005 08:06 (nineteen years ago) link
I prefer Jeff to Tim, frankly, because Jeff seemed more exciting and dark to me when I was 18 and (trying) to get into Tim after having loved Grace (I bought it the week after he died, out of curiosity).
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 May 2005 08:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― discus, Monday, 13 February 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link
Curious.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Fryin' Berry, Buck Cherry (Bimble...), Saturday, 24 June 2006 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Fryin' Berry, Buck Cherry (Bimble...), Saturday, 24 June 2006 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Charlie Howard, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― the table is the table, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Just got offed, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― pretzel walrus, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Charlie Howard, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Just got offed, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
I know people tend to kind of automatically, maybe lazily assume he was headed for superstardom of some kind, imo the most realistic scenario for him was more like a few more hype years and maybe one or two more big to semi-big album cycles, then settling into a solid if idiosyncratic singer-songwriter career after that, ultimately cropping up as a hip influence on the youngsters....around now, really.
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Saturday, 29 August 2020 23:52 (three years ago) link
(I'm not trying to downplay the tragedy of course. I wish he'd gotten to do all that!)
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Saturday, 29 August 2020 23:53 (three years ago) link
I know people tend to kind of automatically, maybe lazily assume he was headed for superstardom
yeah this never tracked for me, he was headed toward making weirder and more fascinating records imo
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 29 August 2020 23:58 (three years ago) link
the superstar assumption is just bc of his voice but it completely discounts his personality, background & literally everything irl about him
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 30 August 2020 00:07 (three years ago) link
This guy was really something… much respect (I’ve been spinning Mystery White Boy & Live at Sin-é)
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 05:55 (four months ago) link
He was a f’in good guitar player, man (and I’ve heard one or two).
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 05:57 (four months ago) link
Imagine having the dude singing a few feet from you while you were eating a muffin.― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, August 15, 2013 5:48 PM (ten years ago)
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 06:08 (four months ago) link
Sin e is so great, I wore out that CD
― calstars, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 11:53 (four months ago) link
Almost exactly 30 years ago he sang a few feet from me while I was having a Sunday lunchtime pint in the biker pub in Stevenage Old Town.
https://live.staticflickr.com/3023/3250195553_a56704d029_b.jpg
― Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 12:21 (four months ago) link
I went to his Olympia gig and indeed the Piaf moment was charming. One of the few things I remember about it !I don’t know if his duet with Liz Fraser was mentioned here. I wasn’t aware of that story then.
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 12:22 (four months ago) link
More pics here https://flic.kr/s/aHsj9mtUAQ He was persuaded to do a second set in Stevenage that evening, third on the bill to some local punk bands at the new town youth club.
― Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 12:23 (four months ago) link
Very cool !
― calstars, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 13:05 (four months ago) link
Amazing!
― impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 13:26 (four months ago) link
getting a 404 on that flickr link?
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 13:34 (four months ago) link
Not having looked at my flickr account in about 15 years I realised all the pictures of my kids were publically viewable so I quickly made them private! Think I've just made the JB pics public again.Think
― Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 14:10 (four months ago) link