which no one would actually say because it would be super stupid
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
nice
― Evan R, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
It's a lot closer to Dawn than Drake anyways.
― chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah but even the Dawn EP is closer to Drake than some ppl here want to admit
― Evan R, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
Guys did you know that everything in this thread is R&B and Drake is R&B ==== you are all listening to DRAKE.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ajKytShi_c
can we least get the correct case study up?
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
xp Oh come on; is that seriously what you thought I was suggesting? Do I really have to post side-by-side embeds of "Faith" and "Take Care"? Obviously the two acts share a fair amount of common influences, especially when they are both in their downtempo modes, which is often lately
― Evan R, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
Surely the real damning comparison is that Wynter sounds like Y Kant Tori Read (e.g. "Cool on your Island").
But I generally approve of this sound being revived.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
but "cool on your island" is amazing
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
Who here hates "Take Care" for its music / general structure?
AFAIK most people dislike Drake for his voice, then his lyrics, then maybe the really really wishy-washy sonics of stuff like "Marvin's Room" (but that is the smallest group of Drake haters).
So invoking Drake as the boogeyman because an R&B tune is all emoto-house seems like missing the point of Drake hate.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
yeah sorry "damning" was meant to be in scare quotes. I agree!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
anyway even a novice like me can hear the afropop foundations of "stimela", from its name to the rhythms and the ululating. this is the track it was based on, it seems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Bb7p9gggc
and yeah a lot of the rest of the EP is weirdly 90s female singer-songwriter alt-rock which is a GOOD THING, if surprising
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
plenty of actual drake tracks can be made pretty good, even great, by the simple step of Removing Drake, tim otm. not that he's a particularly useful comparison for dawn (especially not "faith"! that's far more in line with that kelis rave album) or wynter (at any point really)
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
I wasn't trying to use Drake as a pejorative. Armor On just always seemed to me like Dawn's (often smarter, deeper) spin on the same chilly sounds. There's a lot of Kanye West in there, too. She was working from a foundation that those two really popularized.
I don't mind the rest of the Wynter Gordon release—that track rtc posted is ok—"Stimela" just lays on the shrillness and Lion King mysticism way too thick for me
― Evan R, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
chilly electronics in r&b hardly began with drake and kanye though
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
I know. But for better or worse they've led the current zeitgeist
― Evan R, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
i hear tons of '808s & heartbreaks' in dawn's record but then again i don't think that's a bad thing
drake, less so
i was also rather unimpressed w/ that wynter gordon song
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
yeah 'giving in' is my fave track on the thing i must confess
can see where the cranners comparisons come from but that one reminds me most of when britney does it on her album cuts and i luv those
i think it's readily evident and hardly a controversial assertion that we play in a larger, greyer area than the shrillest weekend/drakephobes ever care to admit
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
still kinda sad that my boo wynter sold out tho :/
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i remember she had some bangers back in the post-flo rida days
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
haha i was going to ask if anyone remembers her pre-fame stuff from when she was just another r&b blogfailure but having searched it turns out i have nothing less than a whole folder of 2008 demos on a old hd...? why man why??
btw wiki reveals she goes way back with d'mile who is all over various ddm stuffs
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
inviting anyone who might know to tell me some beautiful lies about how the teairra mari mixtape's worth hearing
― r|t|c, Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
someone recommended it to be the other day, i haven't got round to it yet though
"coins" from the other year was such an underrated jam
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
*me
My underrated Teairra jam from the other year was "Body". And her turn on the "Pum Pum Shorts" remix.
okay beautiful lies time: Leaving aside "I Do Like" (exactly what you'd expect) and "Click Flash" and "Mercy" the thing done got this kind of electrik red meets journey vibe, the beyond of beyonce's "dance for you", all power sex ballads, over sung and over produced and lacking in tunes, but sort of in the best one night only way. Check "Another Round" and "Lovemaking" and "U Did That" on this tip.
― Tim F, Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
Hey R&B peeps, is there a separate thread for new classic sounding soul & R&B anywhere? Didn't wanna start one if it'd be redundant but also didn't think posting Lee Fields gorgeous "moonlight mile" cover would be appropriate here.
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Friday, 13 July 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
traditionalist stuff doesn't get a ton of attention itt but it's perfectly welcome when someone does want to talk about it, in my experience
― some dude, Friday, 13 July 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
I'd be interested in being exposed to more classic sounding soul. It'd be nice to hear something beyond the one obligatory retro-soul track that is now a staple of every big R&B album
― Evan R, Friday, 13 July 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzfy7aKB9oo
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Sunday, 15 July 2012 02:03 (eleven years ago) link
^dig this!
― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 15 July 2012 04:23 (eleven years ago) link
'wrong side of a love song' is freakin' amazing. actually on some hot buttered soul shit
― hardhouse banter (tpp), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Friday, July 13, 2012
Xchuckx and I talk about Lee Fields, some classic soul and current Southern soul (with the tacky sounding synths that many folks hate) over here:
Chitlin Circuit Double-entendre -filled Soul 2004 (and onward) Theodis Ealey's "Stand Up In It" is a song of the year
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
Sometimes even tim f. will weigh in with a line-dance favorite
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
cross-post from pop thread but this new jojo/shebib single is the shit
serious "promise" vibes
free tape store
http://soundcloud.com/futuresounds-bgr/jojo-demonstrate
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
i was wondering lately what happened to tapestore p
― Barack 2 Chainz Obama (some dude), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
haha
i haven't talked to him in a bit... i should reach out. i think he's really focused on film stuff. miss him tho.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
i can't quite decide on first blushes if that song's kinda underpolished or if it's a persuasive roughness
good though
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
it didn't strike me as immediately amazing but i think it really opens up
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
demmmmonnnnnstrrraaaaaatte
also that chunky, stuttery pre-chorus thing is hella 'writing on the wall' or something, i really dig
where are the "promise" vibes? seriously. "promise" is huge and lush, this is...underpolished doesn't even begin to cover it.
this just makes me think about how once again jojo's official singles don't live up to the promise of her unofficial stuff
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
idk mans, personally if it sounds like you can ride a horse to it in super slow-mo with a romantic sense of purpose i file it under promise
defence calls for the world renowned promise arbitrator k3v to resolve this thorny dispute
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
it's a bit static and small-sounding for that imo
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
rtc otm on both accounts
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 18 July 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
defence calls for the world renowned promise arbitrator k3v to resolve this thcorny dispute
― r|t|c, Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:51 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
― dayo, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
haha guys
i dig this definitely, and can see some "promise" in it - the percussion follows a somewhat similar cadence (sorta pushing it tho), and parts of it match the weightlessness of "promise", one of its finer characteristics. the production is a lot sparer, especially in the verses, which i think is what lex is referring to, which makes it feel a little less smooth i guess. good find nonetheless
― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Thursday, 19 July 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4fec9ea16bb3f76373000010/john-roberts.jpg
― Tim F, Thursday, 19 July 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/images/smilies/smash.gif
― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Thursday, 19 July 2012 04:34 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ smash.gif
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 July 2012 04:40 (eleven years ago) link
this is super-dope btw, esp the parts right before the chorus where it goes all double-time just for one line
― chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Thursday, 19 July 2012 05:51 (eleven years ago) link
i really don't like the drum sounds either - they're too loud and they kind of thud in a really unvibey way - cf how light and soft the percussion in "promise" is. iirc this is one of those things that repelled me about the production on take care as well.
and the song is just not there, god, my attention just wanders about 5 times in each verse.
― bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 July 2012 10:16 (eleven years ago) link