― alex in mainhattan, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Echo and the bunnymen were influenced by the doors! How strange.
early Swans had a clear Stooges influence and i rilly prefer listening to swans rather than funhouse.
― Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
you can really see through the bullshit only when you see a band live that is true (well, most of the time). Suggest a live comp please?
― Sean Carruthers, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
More to the point, the comparison twixt Doors and Echo has been made, and while I don't see it either, I'm not justifying it with all this rigamorale about who was more influential or the like. All I need to know is what I hear.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I almost bought a Doors album tonight cos I wonder if I would like them now - it's been so long. I really really love a lot of 60s American music, though not so much the West Coast psych stuff...but you never know.
― Tom, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
U2 suffer from the same problem. Except they don't have a keyboard player.
― Jerry, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― John Darnielle, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Most ppl in this thread don't seem to like 'em but it doesn't mean it's a joke.
i do prefer will young's version of "light my fire", because he gets something unlikely out of its chilly self-regard
this is just not true on the first alb. i'm not saying its great but then again how many rock vocalists were really 'accomplished'?
― julio Desouza, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
i was thinking of mentioning curtis: an even more limited singer, in a way, but i think the tension — between reach and grasp — works well for the actual material jd recorded
― Norman Phay, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― John Darnielle, drinkin' vodka since mid-day, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Ned back me up here
i love it when people try to "disprove" my point about influence by saying that someone sounds like someone else and probably listened to him a lot: YES I KNOW THAT!! SO WHAT!! WHAT HAVE YOU ACTUALLY SAID JOHN? OF WHAT CONSEQUENCE OR INTEREST IS THAT? The reason "influence" does not exist is that EVERYONE stops right at the point where you have to say the interesting thing: viz WHY IT IS EVEN SLIGHTLY RELEVANT THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT?? if there is a point ever being made with "influence" talk, why is it never reached?
Evidently only because you say so, Mark, which isn't sporting: Ian McC's vocal style never comes into being without a model, any more than trigonometry can avoid the influence of triangles
― Michael Daddino, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
i shall draw a veil of the trig-triangle sentence, since it introduces a NEW and hitherto UNRECOGNISED usage of influence which will merely add to our griefs...
by which I mean that the semantic difficulty seems a personal issue -- Ian McC models his delivery on Morrison's, Morrison influences McC -- the glass is half-empty, the glass is half-full
the ppl an artist influences are the ones who go on to do nothing but listen passively; the ones who go on to do things themselves are the ones s/he NO LONGER influences
1) when I talk about influence I am talking about what an artist does with his/her models -- how he/she puts them into play, NOT describing some situation in which say Ian Curtis flexes his scrawny muscles FROM THE GRAVE
2) when I am describing somebody who has elected to model themselves after another and not done something interesting with it I tend to use the word "damage" and urge others to do likewise and
3) there is a need for more vodka around here, who's with me
I do not hate the Doors.
I do not exactly love them either.
I am not ashamed to say that I once loved them.
Plus: Had the Doors never happened, Kyle MacLachlan would've never been able to play Ray Manzarek in a funny movie like The Doors.
― Andy K, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Norman this is heresy...Ned back me up here
I am much more of a Cure fan than an Echo fan, to be sure -- whereas I scrounged Napster and the like for every last Cure rarity I could find, I just let the Echo box set do that for me, see. And I'm much more prone to putting on Faith than Heaven Up Here etc. -- but I fully sympathize with where Norman is coming from. My good friend Karen feels the same way; Echo were one of 'her' bands when growing up in the eighties, though I'd have to ask her to delineate the full reasons why she has said preference (then again, she might find the thread and do that for me!).
Suffice to say that Echo have their own particular brilliance I will not deny. But Bob and company are on a higher plane for me. :-)
Even snoring has the potential to sound interesting on LSD though.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 04:40 (four years ago) link
And there is another point. No matter how spoiled, vengeful or self-indulgent any supposedly titanic talent may be, the true geniuses - Lennon, Dylan, Tom from Kasabian - always exhibit some thread of empathetic humanity
i couldn't remember who kasabian were so i googled them and discovered that they are, in fact, the band that has been "described as a mix between The Stone Roses and Primal Scream with the swagger of Oasis."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 05:45 (four years ago) link
the Doors are so great
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link
ventured into barnes and noble yesterday. they had this in the racks. pricetag? $21.99.
fucking lol
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
Even in my most enthusiastic Doors phase Light My Fire has always bored me. Strange Days is a good album and I still smile whenever LA Woman comes on.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
they were so audacious in every sense of the word, so incredibly ridiculous and sometimes beautiful and terrible and amazing and lame, the whole idea of the Doors seems like it never should have existed, psychedelic questers and low barroom drunks, proggy organ jackoffs and frustrated jazz welded to hard L.A. sleaze, bad poetry and funky drums and how many bands even risked half as much?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
Doing a Doors deep dive at the moment and can I just say how much I absolutely HATE how nowadays they’ve shoehorned in the “missing” vocals in “Break On Through”? “Everybody loves my baby, she get HIGH… she get HIGH… she get HIGH yeaaaahhh”. There is no way in hell those are from the same vocal take. Also fuck all these “anniversary remixes” and “Light My Fire” sped up to “correct speed” bullshit. Buy the original records or the 1988 CDs or gtfo.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 17 November 2022 08:49 (one year ago) link
Light My Fire is a terrible song
I once accepted a free ticket to see the Doors of the 21st Century with Ian Astbury on vocals, it was unbearable and I had to leave before the encore which was clearly gonna be Riders on the Storm into Light My Fire and I would have died
The best thing about that show was that Asbury gave an interview in local street press (maybe same interview everywhere, I dunno) where he said Jim Morrison came to him in a dream and said it was cool to do the schtick but he wasn’t allowed to sing The End
― meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Thursday, 17 November 2022 09:39 (one year ago) link
listening to LA woman recently and having fun imaging Ian Curtis singing it … “city at night - city at night!”
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 17 November 2022 12:02 (one year ago) link
Yes
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 November 2022 12:53 (one year ago) link
I like the sound of the DCC Compact Classics reissues for the self-titled and L.A. Woman. Tube mastering, and yes, just as they were originally released (no remixes or flying in those additional bits).
But reservations still remain. I can't listen to "The End" all the way through with a straight face. Best cover ever comes at the end of this sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqPB1NlM4ew
― birdistheword, Thursday, 17 November 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link
love it
― calstars, Thursday, 17 November 2022 15:03 (one year ago) link
looool I had never seen that sketch.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 17 November 2022 15:09 (one year ago) link
I have the vinyl box that came out 15 years ago or whatever, sounds fine to me. It has both stereo and mono versions of the s/t
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Thursday, 17 November 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link