Why does Jesus and Mary Chain's 'Psychocandy' sound like crap?

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"it was recorded and released by an upstart indie label (Creation) with no capital."

actually, it was recorded and released by a huge major label (Warner Brothers) with a fuckload of capital.

Marc R, Thursday, 27 November 2003 10:16 (twenty years ago) link

You REALLY want to know? It's because it was recorded at Southern studios by John Loder, a '70s rock (read: prog) fan with little or no experience of engineering bands. He was totally unfamiliar with any of the Reid's reference points, as this woman I know who also worked at Southern told me a story about Loder coming up to the office one lunchtime and asking if she'd ever heard of a band called The Stooges. John subsequently went on to distribute Dischord records in the UK. Interesting guy.

Rock Chimp, Friday, 28 November 2003 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

Three Feet High and Rising is brilliantly mixed, but unbelievably shittily mastered.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 28 November 2003 11:42 (twenty years ago) link

I thought that was just the LP version...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 28 November 2003 11:50 (twenty years ago) link

john loder did a shithouse job on the first tsunami record

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 28 November 2003 11:51 (twenty years ago) link

hükser dü's candy apple grey and psychocandy were both rolled out with much palaver in new zealand on warner brothers '85/'86 as i remember. Licensing was so common back then that this was typical of how much music came to me through a major label, leaving me wondering "how indie was that ?", "was that the only way ?" and "that original label, it's really dissolved ?"

i remember seeing the posters seeming bigger than other typical posters, and looking at the overall band art, and thinking "this psychocandy is really getting the corporate marketing treatment".

i think stereo quality in their equipment was quite a lot more varied back then amoungst people, so suspicions like that from back then don't surprise me. The idea that stereo fidelity has something to do with it, i don't know that something like that could be used in the marketing today, as it was then.

george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 28 November 2003 13:01 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Psychocandy is utterly exhilarating sonically, on vinyl or CD.

Yes indeed. (He says while finishing listening to it.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 29 January 2005 06:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Nearly every Peel Sessions version of the "Psychocandy" songs are superior to the "Psychocandy" versions.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 29 January 2005 06:59 (nineteen years ago) link

*is* superior

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 29 January 2005 06:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Peelist.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 29 January 2005 07:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Peel Slowly and See.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 29 January 2005 10:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Since the JAMC never even got close to recording another album as good as Psychocandy, I have to assume that the mix is not a problem.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 29 January 2005 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
i'm just listening to the "snapper" lp - shotgun blossom - and it sounds exactly like a mimicry of jesus and mary chain's "psychcandy", maybe with a bit of krautrock.
still,it is considered a great record by some.
am i missing something?

gerald the mouse, Thursday, 9 March 2006 08:10 (eighteen years ago) link

no, that's a great record too. thanks keith!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 9 March 2006 09:07 (eighteen years ago) link

it's OLD...

Russell Dixon (Skinny), Thursday, 9 March 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

To answer the original question, the stereo is not broken - your EARS are broken.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

it's dated,not so old.

der i, Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

never saw this thread. i downloaded some tracks off this a couple of years back and just assumed it was bad encoding/recording from analogue source or something, ha ha.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

People not knowing that Psychocandy's supposed to sound like that make me feel v. old.

Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I knew that Psychocandy was supposed to sound like that when I first heard it; my issue was that, at the time, I had no interest in hearing something that sounded like that.

Dan (Thank God Tastes Change) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

The sleeve is GREAT...

Russell Dixon (Skinny), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

For best effect of course you need to play the vinyl on a cheap stereo with a worn needle. Which is how I spent the 80s listening to it.

Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yes. Heaven.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

21 yrs!

Merryweather (scarlet), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Was Darklands better?

Russell Dixon (Skinny), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't it coming out in SACD surround sound format or whatever? Perhaps I dreamt it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I always thought the problem with Psychocandy's recording could be solved by just turning up your stereo to the point where the record started skipping, then turning it down just enough to keep the needle in the grooves. People who complain about it just aren't playing it loud enough.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

On their latest compilation the Psychocandy stuff sounds even harsher, which works in context: you can see how Darklands andAutomatic cleaned up the aural (if not lyrical) murk.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

And the winner for the most "not getting the point" special release is...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000006NL3.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 9 March 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

It's like watching home movies in technicolour on a super wide screen!

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Why does Jesus and Mary Chain's 'Psychocandy' sound like crap?

`Cos you've got your had way up your ass, apparently.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 10 March 2006 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Crap? Even on a terrible turntable in the 80s I thought Psychocandy really came pretty close to perfection. Now, on very good stereo equipment, it's still utterly amazing. That said, I am curious to hear what a remaster would do to it.

'Ears are broken' indeed. Vaguely remember some interview, Jim Reid relating how someone heard a song off Psychocandy playing on a radio, thinking the radio was broken, picking it up and banging it so it would get back to working correctly. I mean, if that was your band, tell me you wouldn't swell with pride.

bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Friday, 10 March 2006 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Was Darklands better?

No. But it's pretty good.

sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 10 March 2006 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link

No the drums are in the bathtub. Pay attention. The whole album sounds like it was recorded in a drafty men's lavatory, with the windows open and water dripping from the pipes. i.e. it's great.
-- spittle (ptu...), November 27th, 2003.
which wa y shoul the wind blow ?
it sounds better left in sealed plastic.

retrokid, Friday, 10 March 2006 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Nope, still sounds amazing to me, too. Bring the murk!

Context plays a part - the 'production' on those early records was diametrically opposed to the way a British indie release was meant to sound at the time.

Soukesian, Friday, 10 March 2006 07:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Was Darklands better?

I like it better because it's more my style. I do understand why the debut is considered their best though.

BeeOK (boo radley), Friday, 10 March 2006 08:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Did I dream the reissues then?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 10 March 2006 09:14 (eighteen years ago) link

JAMC...they looked KOOL too... :)

Russell Dixon (Skinny), Friday, 10 March 2006 09:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Sounded that way on purpose I think.

The "Darklands" album sounded way better, which was considered a "sellout" by some people.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 10 March 2006 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Nothing on Psychocandy excites me like "Happy When It Rains."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Um, wow. This album is fucking awesome. Thanks, everyone. Really digging this and Loveless.

regular roundups (Dave M), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Nothing wrong with an album where every other song starts off like "Be My Baby." Seriously.

regular roundups (Dave M), Friday, 10 March 2006 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link

If my crap sounded like this, I'd be on the toilet for 45 minutes every time.

StanM (StanM), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

The concept of "remastered" GBV albums still makes me rofl.

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:32 (eighteen years ago) link

"Is it just me? The mix is horrible. The volume is low. I can barely listen to the thing. Please somebody remaster this."

it has always sounded amazing to me. maybe the cd sucks? i've never heard it on cd. some cds just aren't made very well. barbed wire kisses on cd always sounded good to me. and all the later stuff sounds fine on cd.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

How do I shot feedback??

To my ears, the CD is slightly inferior to the original LP pressing, but it doesn't really sound like a different album or anything. I think the "Just Like Honey" production is flawless and of course sounded amazing in Lost in Translation.

i'm from hollywood, Saturday, 11 March 2006 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Scott, I just listened to the m-f on mp3 and it sounded great. So I'm thinking it's nothing to do with the medium.

regular roundups (Dave M), Saturday, 11 March 2006 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

it has always sounded amazing to me. maybe the cd sucks?

This wouldn't surprise me. I haven't heard "Psychocandy" on vinyl, but I have the "You Trip Me Up" single and it sounds INCREDIBLE -- 100X bigger and nastier and gorgeous than on CD. The vinyl grooves might be the widest I've seen ... that sucker was mastered LOUD.

I also think that the Peel Sessions versions of the "Psychocandy" tracks are far better than those on the album proper.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 11 March 2006 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link

likewise, the sidewalking 12-inch has a monster sound that cd and vinyl comp versions don't come close to (also a john loder thang). john loder was a god to me, by the way. easily in my top ten of fave soundgeniuses.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 11 March 2006 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I think if they do a remaster, they should bury it under MORE echo and feedback.

electrogrouse (haitch), Saturday, 11 March 2006 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't see how Geir would dislike "Sunny Sundae Smile" or "Lovely Sweet Darlene".

Trayce, Thursday, 9 October 2008 02:34 (fifteen years ago) link

(ie Loveless is NOT THE ONLY THING THEY DID FFS)

Trayce, Thursday, 9 October 2008 02:34 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe because he's a cloth-eared fuckwit

Deep House, M.D. (haitch), Thursday, 9 October 2008 02:41 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

i never really had a problem with the sound of this record, mainly just the repetitive song structures and general lack of variety. i've reconciled myself to this though over the last few years and now love the record pretty much unconditionally.

Charlie Howard, Friday, 26 December 2008 02:52 (fifteen years ago) link

so basically u foreced urself to liek it.

descendent of warlocks (The Brainwasher), Friday, 26 December 2008 02:53 (fifteen years ago) link

sorta deal

Charlie Howard, Friday, 26 December 2008 03:23 (fifteen years ago) link

It sounds that way on purpose. I like "Darklands" better because it has the vocals more in the forefront of the production.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 26 December 2008 03:46 (fifteen years ago) link

six years pass...

well, the current live version of this album sounds absolutely bloody epic.
there are these huge basslines courtesy of phil 'lush/union jackson/etc' king, that i had never heard before tonights rendition in bristol.
i never heard the proper remasters, so have no idea if those editions revealed the bass.
and as for the drums.
wow.
i did not expect to be as impressed as i was.

mark e, Friday, 27 February 2015 00:16 (nine years ago) link

six years pass...

Still trying (and failing) to “get” this album. I guess you had to be there.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 28 December 2021 22:50 (two years ago) link

i guess so, what is there to get? it is a good album.

akm, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 00:31 (two years ago) link

Yeah, you'd have to listen to the top twenty of the chart, and the independant album chart for a bit, and then play it, and then you may have context.

I don't think it's needed, really.

Some might say "Darklands" is the better album now, but.

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 09:43 (two years ago) link

darklands isn't as distinctive but i certainly prefer it

ufo, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 10:15 (two years ago) link

21 Singles is all I need, really.

Happy birthday, Jim Reid.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 10:30 (two years ago) link


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