Creedence Clearwater Revival vs the Grateful Dead vs the Band

They're an archetypal 1970 pop band, basically.

"roots rock" comes pretty close to naming it. i suppose you could call it rock americana or rock-as-folk music. whatever unites bob seeger, X, green on red, etc. reminds me of that 80s beer ad with the long ryders, where one of them says, "i think rock & roll is folk music, cuz it's music for folks."

anyway, did CCR invent nostalgia for olde america in rock?

The Charlatans were doing that to a degree (and very differently than CCR) in 1966 with something like Robert Johnson's "32-20," or the saloon-type music they'd play.

These guys, too.

http://www.jmeshel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/basementTapes.jpg

The Lovin' Spoonful had a distinctly American nostalgic aspect.

Well the entire folk revival did, really.

"Summer in the City" predates Fogerty's vocal style, I think.

duh, yeah, of course CCR wasn't there first. sorry. occurred to my on my evening walk that dylan is probably the single person who most deserves credit for bringing that folk- & country-derived sensibility into rock music. but more than any of the others i know of, CCR made it "rock" in the algerian goalkeeper sense. like attached it to the chuck berry --> jerry lee lewis --> early beatles --> sonics/wailers lineage.

never really enjoyed ccr. fogerty's voice grates. plus not a fan of that rootsy rock thing,or at least their way of doing it. go choogle somewhere else. tho fogerty is really impressive in that footage of him doing fortunate son with the dead, gotta say...

the band, eh whatever. kind of annoying

i do like a lot of grateful dead stuff

the band minus dylan, i should emphasize

were CCR critically neglected because they were pop, in a certain way? the way their albums are set up--cover versions, not much "concept", singles-dominated.....they seem just a little old-fashioned: they're making pre-Sgt-Pepper LPs in the post-Pepper era.

I don't think any of the roots/rock comparisons for CCR quite work, Pop Americana mythos/bullshit purveyed by Californians--the most revealing comparison, for me, would be the Beach Boys.

lol i had no idea they were from california! i honestly thought they were from louisiana. or wherever you would be from that would make one pronounce "burning" in the odd way he does in proud mary

i dunno. the beach boys at least sung about the culture in the region of the country they were from.

possibly what ruined ccr for me was seeing a tv commercial for a greatest hits of theirs which ran constantly for a year or so when i was a kid. i don't know if i had even heard them on the radio before that point, but being exposed to several seconds snippets of their most famous songs ad nauseam kinda ruined them for me. again, it's fogerty's voice. plus that centerfield song he did. yuck

put me in coach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyDT828gmFc

I remember those CCR commercials. I thought they were hilarious at the time. At some later point, I checked Chronicle out of the library and my life-long infatuation was birthed.

The only other person I've ever heard say "boinin'" like Fogerty is David Lee Roth. I assume DLR lifted it wholesale from John because it sounds oddly cool.

foetus too

dark gods boint my evil soul

haha

oddly felt would cover the old man down the road in live settings. just seems odd to me, like learning that vini reilly is covering bad company or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZaU3VtMfoM

totally forgot Foetus! The tense threw me off.

I suppose because of Fogerty not owning his songs I had the plesaure of hearing "Down on the Corner," "Lookin' Out My Back Door," etc licensed in the eighties for grocery store commercials.

I remember the day I discovered the subtle nod to Up Around the Bend in Wish You Were Here, though. See if you can find it!

staleprince otm

possibly what ruined ccr for me was seeing a tv commercial for a greatest hits of theirs which ran constantly for a year or so when i was a kid.

haha this commercial is one of my earliest musical memories + is the reason why CCR was my first favorite band

"i dunno. the beach boys at least sung about the culture in the region of the country they were from." yeah, but--the culture of California IS fantasy, right? It's not like the Beach Boys presented themselves as realist chroniclers of quotidian California....

(btw I like both varieties of bullshit mythos in question!)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgD9rg0EdcA

I think despite my dad owning the first several Creedence albums, I wouldn't have been nearly as familiar with CCR if it hadn't been for those commercials.

I was familiar with them before the ads started, so they struck me as utterly bizarre. Imagine, say, Led Zeppelin or Neil Young being marketed like that -- that's what it felt like.

Wow, I remembered the song sequence in that commercial almost perfectly. It really left quite an impression.

I was familiar with them before the ads started, so they struck me as utterly bizarre. Imagine, say, Led Zeppelin or Neil Young being marketed like that -- that's what it felt like.

yeah, but that's to CCR's credit. they're not just some rock band. they actually made music people like, people who might conceivably order an album from the televison. they're operating on a zamfir-type level.

Pretty sure CCR had nothing to do with those commercials, right? All the recordings were owned by Fantasy and Fantasy dealt them out to the highest bidder (or basically anyone who offered them a buck).

i dunno. the beach boys at least sung about the culture in the region of the country they were from.

^yep a chubby, depressed introvert living with an abusive father/manager singing songs about surfing and hot rods

sure but i'm guessing no one in the fogerty family were noodling on the weekends or whatever. at least dennis surfed, etc

i guess that makes it authentic then

Who cares either way?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIPlXU65NTI

Haha, that commercial. I still have that 3xLP that I bought ON THE TELEPHONE!!!

LOLLIN'
Peter G.

Who cares either way?

as a rockist, i care a lot

the band

i guess that makes it authentic then

surely it's more authentic if you are singing about stuff that you are first-hand observing and that your brother and cousin (who is also writing lyrics) then ccr-approach which was just more from

but i mean, "who cares?" is i guess otm. if you're complaining about mythos of place then you might as well throw in time and then all retro-leaning bands can be indicted

John Fogerty wrote most of the big hits when he was toiling in shitty minor league baseball shithole towns in the central valley and midwest, god bless him.

occurred to my on my evening walk that dylan is probably the single person who most deserves credit for bringing that folk- & country-derived sensibility into rock music

Um, I think that sensibility has pretty much been there since the beginning - like Elvis Presley, for instance?

I think he meant aside from Elvis, Roy Orbison, Buddy Holly, and several thousand other singers...

folk/country music has always dealt w/ that kinda thing -- pretty sure the carter family was marketed as "back to that ol' good time mountain music"

John Fogerty wrote most of the big hits when he was toiling in shitty minor league baseball shithole towns in the central valley and midwest, god bless him.

the central valley back then (and huge swathes of the east bay as well, which btw feature(d) plenty of backwoods mountains and marshes/wetlands too) was rural as fuck. Fogerty really did drink Green River etc

Um, I think that sensibility has pretty much been there since the beginning - like Elvis Presley, for instance?

― o. nate, Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:32 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

folk/country music has always dealt w/ that kinda thing -- pretty sure the carter family was marketed as "back to that ol' good time mountain music"

― tylerw, Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:02 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tylerw otm that the sensibility in question has always been a pig part of folk & country music.

lol "pig part"

big part

lol rockist criticisms of ccr

so wait, had fogerty actually experienced true authentic choogle or was theirs a false choogle?

there is only one choogle