Who cares either way?
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIPlXU65NTI
― He Wasn't Even The Best Drummer In The Rutles (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:40 (eleven years ago) link
Haha, that commercial. I still have that 3xLP that I bought ON THE TELEPHONE!!!
LOLLIN'Peter G.
― queequeg (peter grasswich), Sunday, 12 August 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
as a rockist, i care a lot
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
the band
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 August 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
i guess that makes it authentic then
surely it's more authentic if you are singing about stuff that you are first-hand observing and that your brother and cousin (who is also writing lyrics) then ccr-approach which was just more from
but i mean, "who cares?" is i guess otm. if you're complaining about mythos of place then you might as well throw in time and then all retro-leaning bands can be indicted
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 August 2012 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
John Fogerty wrote most of the big hits when he was toiling in shitty minor league baseball shithole towns in the central valley and midwest, god bless him.
― queequeg (peter grasswich), Sunday, 12 August 2012 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
occurred to my on my evening walk that dylan is probably the single person who most deserves credit for bringing that folk- & country-derived sensibility into rock music
Um, I think that sensibility has pretty much been there since the beginning - like Elvis Presley, for instance?
― o. nate, Sunday, 12 August 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
I think he meant aside from Elvis, Roy Orbison, Buddy Holly, and several thousand other singers...
― queequeg (peter grasswich), Sunday, 12 August 2012 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
folk/country music has always dealt w/ that kinda thing -- pretty sure the carter family was marketed as "back to that ol' good time mountain music"
― tylerw, Sunday, 12 August 2012 01:02 (eleven years ago) link
the central valley back then (and huge swathes of the east bay as well, which btw feature(d) plenty of backwoods mountains and marshes/wetlands too) was rural as fuck. Fogerty really did drink Green River etc
― the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Sunday, 12 August 2012 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
Um, I think that sensibility has pretty much been there since the beginning - like Elvis Presley, for instance?― o. nate, Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:32 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkfolk/country music has always dealt w/ that kinda thing -- pretty sure the carter family was marketed as "back to that ol' good time mountain music"― tylerw, Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:02 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― o. nate, Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:32 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― tylerw, Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:02 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tylerw otm that the sensibility in question has always been a pig part of folk & country music.
― contenderizer, Sunday, 12 August 2012 03:58 (eleven years ago) link
lol "pig part"
big part
― contenderizer, Sunday, 12 August 2012 04:15 (eleven years ago) link
lol rockist criticisms of ccr
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 12 August 2012 04:22 (eleven years ago) link
so wait, had fogerty actually experienced true authentic choogle or was theirs a false choogle?
― wk, Sunday, 12 August 2012 05:21 (eleven years ago) link
there is only one choogle
― contenderizer, Sunday, 12 August 2012 05:26 (eleven years ago) link
One does not simply choogle out of Lodi...
― queequeg (peter grasswich), Sunday, 12 August 2012 05:33 (eleven years ago) link
no you manufacture your counterfeit choogle from the safety of El Cerrito
― wk, Sunday, 12 August 2012 05:53 (eleven years ago) link
was theirs a false choogle
thanking u
― Gurdas Mane (crüt), Sunday, 12 August 2012 06:03 (eleven years ago) link
I suppose Fogerty's faux bayou-isms do look pretty silly next to the genuine down home americana of Robertson/Danko/Hudson/Manuel.
― wk, Sunday, 12 August 2012 06:11 (eleven years ago) link
Who were all a bunch of Canadians.
― earlnash, Sunday, 12 August 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
Except Levon of course...
I'm astonished that you don't consider Canadians to be genuine Americans. Canada's part of North America, GET IT?
― spanky hotel frogstrot (how's life), Sunday, 12 August 2012 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
the only genuine americans are from arkansas
― tylerw, Sunday, 12 August 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
do they have a bayou there?
― contenderizer, Sunday, 12 August 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
Let's see, El Cerrito CA to Bayou St. John Louisiana = 2270 miles
Toronto to the bayou = 1310 miles
So Robbie Robertson has a legitimate claim to being "born somewhat closer to the bayou".
On the other hand, San Francisco to the mountains of the moon = 238,857 miles. Posers.
― wk, Sunday, 12 August 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
Don't forget that Robbie's mother was a Mohawk so he is the most American of all.
― He Wasn't Even The Best Drummer In The Rutles (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 August 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
no one in the band was named virgil, nor did they go hungry in '65
poseurs
― mookieproof, Sunday, 12 August 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
Levon was the most authentic person in any of these bands & garth hudson had the most authentic beard, so everyone vote for the band
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 12 August 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
One funny thing about Creedence that I just remembered is that I used to always see Cosmos Factory in the used bins and think it was some kind of dodgy compilation or weird italian pressing or something because of the goofy cover. Like my brain couldn't compute that that was the actual cover of their biggest album. I like it now though.
― wk, Sunday, 12 August 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, they should have gone with the original concept
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/cosmo2.jpg
― contenderizer, Sunday, 12 August 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
check out the sex face on this fogerty
― Death Grits (WmC), Sunday, 12 August 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
Electric Creedenceland
― Choogle Image Search (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 12 August 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
Someone's chooglin' John in that picture.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 12 August 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
Someone needs to do a CCR compilation leaving out all the ubiquitous hits everyone knows and all the lousy cover tunes.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 13 August 2012 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
Here's a list with no hits, no covers (including bonus tracks, but no live stuff)
Creedence Clearwater RevivalThe Working ManGet Down WomanPortervilleGloomyWalking on the WaterCall it Pretending
Bayou CountryBootlegGraveyard TrainPenthouse PauperKeep On Chooglin'
Green RiverCommotionTombstone ShadowWrote a Song for EveryoneCross-Tie WalkerSinister PurposeBroken Spoke ShuffleGlory Be
Willy and the Poor BoysIt Came Out of the SkyPoorboy ShuffleFeelin' BlueDon't Look NowSide O' The RoadEffigy
Cosmo's FactoryRamble Tamble
PendulumPagan BabySailor's LamentChameleon(Wish I Could) HideawayBorn to MoveHey TonightIt's Just a ThoughtMolinaRude Awakening #2
Mardi GrasLookin' For A ReasonTake It Like a FriendNeed Someone to HoldTearin' Up the CountrySomeday Never ComesWhat Are You Gonna DoSail AwayDoor to DoorSweet Hitch-Hiker
The contrast between Cosmo's (all hits & covers) vs Pendulum (no covers and only one hit) is pretty funny.
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 05:59 (eleven years ago) link
I really dig Porterville / Call it Pretending. Is the rest of the pre-creedence stuff worth hearing?
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 06:00 (eleven years ago) link
Hey Tonight wasn't a hit? Shoulda been. That's one of my favorite short CCR singles.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 13 August 2012 06:03 (eleven years ago) link
Oh maybe. It sounds familiar.
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 06:13 (eleven years ago) link
Sweet Hitch-Hiker too. (It was a hit, but it's not one of my favorites)
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 13 August 2012 06:16 (eleven years ago) link
I guess it was included on TV's biggest selling album so who am I to argue?
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 06:45 (eleven years ago) link
Regarding the authenticity of Americana between these bands reminds me of the story of Robert Hunter's proudest moment as a lyricist: in the audience at a dead show during cumberland blues, he overheard someone loudly complaining about these rock bands making money off of old Appilacian folk songs.
― BrianB, Monday, 13 August 2012 13:10 (eleven years ago) link
I had heard that story as Hunter actually taking a trip to Western MD and playing the song for some old men there, one of whom said something to the effect of “that’s a great song, but I can’t imagine what the guy who wrote it must think of a band like the Grateful Dead playing it.”
― spanky hotel frogstrot (how's life), Monday, 13 August 2012 13:24 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not a big Deadhead, but I voted Dead vs. Yes and Rush, and my kneejerk reaction was do so here too, simply based on the breadth of their career output, and thinking of CCR mainly in terms of their great run of singles. But wk's list of CCR deep cuts is mindboggling. I love so many of those songs! It got me wondering what sort of similar list-paring could be done for the Dead, as they played so many of their best-known songs to death in concert over the years.
If you went into Deadbase or similar, and tossed out all the covers, plus every song that was played more than x amount of times, you'd be left with a CD-R of "Cream Puff War," "Pride Of Cucamonga," "My Brother Esau" and the like; maybe worth a cursory listen, but no comparison to the CCR one.
― Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 August 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
Pagan Baby
^^^choogles like a motherfucker
― the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 August 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
That doesn't make any sense though because none of those songs are ubiquitous and inescapable like CCR's hits. The only songs you would maybe have to delete are Truckin', Casey Jones, and Touch of Grey. A similar list of Dead songs minus hits and covers would be ridiculously long. Even if you just did their first seven albums I think it would be a much bigger, better, and more diverse list.
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
And the Dead's covers are mostly of old traditional songs that aren't necessarily as well known. When I first listened to the Dead albums I didn't think "oh great a lame cover of New New Minglewood Blues-- SKIP" the same way that I did with CCR's covers of really well known pop songs.
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno when I hear the Dead butchering Buck Owens I definitely think SKIP
― the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 August 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
where does that happen?
― wk, Monday, 13 August 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
q for indie nerds, be honest: how many of you knew "walking on the water" from the richard hell & the voidoids cover?
― goole, Monday, 13 August 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link