fogerty didn't write suzy q tho right?
I wasn't trying to make any point about Fogerty as a songwriter, just why to me a song like Someday Never Comes is clearly not as good as their other, bigger hits. Which was all just an attempt at figuring out crustaceanrebel's question of "whether it's potentially familiarity with their hits that makes the other stuff seem lesser."
― wk, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
wiki says that "cat's in the cradle" was based on a poem written by chapin's wife, sandy. their source for that says she wrote the poem a year or so before HC began working with it, and that she based it on an unidentified country song:
"It was about a man and a woman sitting at their kitchen table and looking out to the backyard. They had a swing set and a sandbox and bicycle in the corner," she said. "They were talking about how it all went by so fast and how they could have spent more time, and now the kids are gone. That song put me in the mood for writing a lyric."
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
The Dead does have a heck of a deep catalog of original songs.
Their 'greatest hits'.
Truckin' Touch of Grey Sugar Magnolia Casey Jones Uncle John's Band Friend of the Devil Franklin's Tower Estimated Prophet Eyes of the World Box of Rain U.S. Blues The Golden Road (To Unlimited Devotion) One More Saturday Night Fire on the Mountain The Music Never Stopped Hell in a Bucket Ripple
Ok, for original songs of note…not including covers for which they were known.
DealLoserWharf RatSugareeBrown Eyed WomenDire WolfNew Speedway BoogieBrokedown PalaceBlack PeterBerthaCumberland BluesChina Cat SunflowerShip of FoolsJack StrawRamble On RoseHe's GoneMississippi Half-Step Uptown ToodelooAlabama Getaway
These tunes are original ones that they would use to often go outward on with improvisation.
Dark StarPlaying in the BandThe Other OneBird SongHelp On the Way/SlipknotFeel Like a Stranger
As for the lack of 'hits', I think part of it was they never really played the game and then oddly left so many of their classic tunes to be done on solo records by Weir and Garcia, some with the band backing on some in stripped down company. Part of this as they were leaving Warner's in the early 70s to start their own label.
They got down to deeper songwriting a bit later and I would imagine their rep probably kept them from ever getting on much AM radio where CCR flourished. Even in the studio most of these tunes are more like 4 minutes plus too and I'd say the compact genius berevity of some of the Creedence tunes definitely helped them getting on the radio.
I'd say more than a few of the Deads songs have had a good life afterwards being played by other artists.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I don't think the Dead ever wrote any songs that were top 10 material (apart from Touch of Grey obv). Casey Jones was the closest but I'm guessing the cocaine reference held it back. LIke for that reason it's not something my mom would listen to.
― wk, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
album tracks on Willy as strong as the singles imo: Effigy, Don't Look Now are of a piece with Fortunate Son
― Euler, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
New (Old) Warehouse Decree: EVERY FRIDAY is CREEDENCE FRIDAY
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
hate that Chapin song so much
― Romney's Kitchen Nightmares (WmC), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
you are dead to me
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:42 (twelve years ago) link
it was inevitable
― Romney's Kitchen Nightmares (WmC), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago) link
i love CCR but it has to be The Band.
― if i had a goat's cheese tostada i might cream myself a little (stevie), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 11:05 (twelve years ago) link
guys the point of this poll is so the CCR fans can get a W on the board. please do not vote in this poll unless you are voting for CCR I will be sad if they don't win, everybody deserves a win now & then.
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 11:42 (twelve years ago) link
love all these dudes, but at this point in my life it's the Band
― it's smdh time in America (will), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 13:44 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjBBDJ5OiT0
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
Adam I don't know what your display name means but it is cracking me up somehow, ty
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
dick's picks 28. it's a winner.
― thomp, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
Dick's Picks 3 + 10 are pretty good, although I'm not really well-versed on the late-70s. Dick's Picks 22 is just MASSIVE and really shouldn't be passed up on.
― spanky hotel frogstrot (how's life), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, 22 is the Dead record I'd play for Velvets fans who think they hate the Dead. This thing could go toe-to-toe with The Quine Tapes (and I think it even has more feedback).
― Choogle Image Search (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
22 is the great loud 60s one right? maybe the earliest live thing out?
― thomp, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
this isn't that loud...it borders on actual rocking
it's like the Grateful Dead work up a little half-chub and Deadhead act like it's a raging boner
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like i should change my display name to some laboured wordplay on your display name and the song 'mississippi half-step uptown toodeloo' rather than engaging with your point
― thomp, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
they have a word in common and are both p polysyllabic
haha do it!
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
The former, yes. The latter, I dunno...but everything pre-'68 I've heard has been decidedly more folkie than skronky. This is skronky.
― Choogle Image Search (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
what the fuck? I thought it was closing tomorrow yesterday? Finish this shit!
― spanky hotel frogstrot (how's life), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
it's like the Grateful Dead work up a little half-chub and Deadhead act like it's a raging boner― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:27 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:27 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao
― Gurdas Mane (crüt), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
Having a hard time deciding between the Dead and CCR. CCR have more classic songs, though lately I've been listening more to the Dead (mainly WD & AB). The Dead's sound on those albums seems a bit richer & more rewarding of late, though of course they're not as tight & effective as CCR. Very tough one.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
nate you gotta vote CCR. if the CCR dudes don't win it's sad times. plus I don't know if this helps but in case you didn't read through the thread CCR is like a giant boner. everybody loves a big boner so vote CCR.
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― tylerw, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
CCR Boner Jamz 2012
― Shameful Dead Half Choogle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
Boner the Bayou
― Choogle Image Search (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
Porterville-Gloomy-Walking on the Water is a great album-closing trio.
― boxall, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zniQKofm-c
― how's life, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1PpTXtlnb0
― how's life, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceRg_rxXQ_E
― how's life, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:47 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha i voted for the band!
i'm boner agnostic!
my point about boners is that the dead are only ever like "crazy" or "rocking" FOR THE DEAD.....the Dead are the Lawrence, Kansas of rock bands...like everyone in Lawrence is always like "Oh we have a really great local music scene.....for Kansas"...."Oh we have a lot of arts and culture....(for Kansas)"....."We're a really progressive city....(for Kansas)"
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
haha i was kind of starting to like the dead more too, like i dig american beauty and i was listening to the renaissance fairgrounds gig sometimes but now i'm back in h8r mode
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
it's an easy place to get to
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
haha, M@tt, have you ever actually been to Lawrence? It's really pretty nice, and much of the rest of Kansas is truly cornfields and Obama-is-a-Marxist billboards.
― Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I actually hear you & you're right - the Dead in rocking mode isn't anybody else's proper rocking mode, it's not an adrenalized thing. the only stuff that's really burn-it-down like CCR live is, like, the big snare-crack in St Stephen when they're doing it live in the late 60s. but it's like...its own vibe, which actually was why I hated the Dead back when ('you like this?') and is why once I came around it seemed so special
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
― Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:17 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, my sister and brother in law go there, at least once a year...and they are right. it's a great town....for kansas!
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
is it too late to do a write-in vote for kansas? http://www.amiright.com/album-covers/images/album-Kansas-The-Best-of-Kansas.jpg
― tylerw, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
this thread has reached....the point of no return
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
I don't even have the words for how happy that joke makes me
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
lolllz
― tylerw, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
has anyone posted the complete royal albert hall CCR show yet? apologies if i missed it. it is so sick! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D6vas5iLvY
Love Fogerty's look, flannel shirt & leather pants. Authentic working man on top, cock rocker on the bottom
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
is it true Fogerty only used solid state amps?
Guys, CCR, great as they were, should really come in dead last here. They only did one thing, and they only did it well, like, a third of the time. The rest of the time was spent playing shitty covers.
Dead >>> Band >>>>>> CCR
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, Robbie Krieger used SS amps too.
― wk, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
if this is true some of you guys need to hang your heads in shame, what the hell. I mean yes a lot of the metal bands I love use all solid state, but that's because they are all deaf anyway.
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link