RESULTS (of the very nebulously defined) 110 ELECTRONIC DANCE TRACKS of the 00s

Actually I'm pretty fine with zero fidget house in this poll. Some sounds we just shouldn't go back to.

Sass, sorry if I hit a nerve, just not feeling Luciano these days.

Yeah, Luciano, what happened?

http://www.inverted-audio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Luciano-Tribute-To-The-Sun-450x450.jpg

I suppose the relative lack of non-Villalobos mid-00s minimal in this poll reflects quite how tracky a lot of it was and I suppose there isn't that much consensus around it. I mean records like Full Clip and Seeing Through Shadows were great but difficult to hold in the same sort of affection several years on as a lot of the stuff in this poll. I suppose that accounts for the preponderance of grinny big field music in this poll.

Luciano's always been more chameleon-like/bandwagon jumping than he's given credit for - people always associate him with minimal for obvious reasons but there are sets from as late as 2005 that are totally maximalist and banging.

The inclusion I really don't get in this poll is that Still Going track, I mean it's not actively bad or anything but I've no idea what aspect of it would make someone vote one of the best of the decade.

Luciano had that really great DJ set of minimal goes deep house set around 2005-2006... trying to find it.

But seriously, that album was a real wtf moment for me. Cadenza had an awesome run imo probably up until around Los Updates album or the Mirko Loko one, sometime around mid-2008.

Oh yeah, that album, and the lead up up to it, was definitely like a moment of lost innocence for me. Why Cadenza? Why?

Although the digital/organic vitalist artwork should have already set off some signals, I suppose. It always had the potential to devolve into jazzy/latin-based 'sophistication', or a general weird Euro-fetishism of exotic alterity...

Miko my favourite Luciano minimal into deep house sets are actually 2007 - Silo Belgium and Kristal @ Bucharest. Do you mean one of those?

That's it! The Silo one, that was great. Somehow lost it between laptops.

I'll upload it somewhere. It's a classic.

The inclusion I really don't get in this poll is that Still Going track, I mean it's not actively bad or anything but I've no idea what aspect of it would make someone vote one of the best of the decade.

I gave it a sympathy vote bcz Spaghetti Circus wasnt nommed

I like the Still Going track a lot, more than Spaghetti Circus, but wouldn't have voted for it given the massive amount of other material on DFA and there's probably better examples of this neo-disco vibe anyway (Metro Area or Todd Terje, for instance).

This was a fun thread to read, love the images!! here's my ballot

1 M83 Don't Save Us From The Flames (Superpitcher Mix)
2 Delia Gonzalez & Gavin Russom - Relevee (Carl craig remix)
3 Friendly Fries - paris (Aeroplane Mix)
4 Chelonis R Jones - I Don't Know
5 Royksopp - What Else Is There (Trentemoller Mix)
6 Justus Kohncke - Timecode
7 Luomo - Tessio (Vocalcity)
8 Phantom Ghost - Perfect Lovers Unperfect Mix)
9 Psychonauts - World Keeps Turning (Highfish & Zander Mix)
10 Rick Poppa Howard - Do What You have To
11 Lindstrom - I feel Space
12 Mathew Jonson - Typerope
11 Amp Fiddler - Faith (Jazzanova Mix)
14 Mayer/Auayo - Slow
15 Midi Rain - Always
16 Metro Area - Miura
17 Ricardo Villalobos - Easy Lee
18 Geiger - Cocain-E
19 Henrik Schwarz - Where We At
20 Larry Heard presents mr white - The Sun can't Compare
21 Superpitcher - Irre
22 Lawrence - Spark
23 Lifelike & Chris Menace - Discopolis
24 Gui Boratto - No Turning Back
25 Abe Duque - What Happened?
26 Ada - Each and Everyone (Blindhouse Mix)
27 Richard Davis - Bring Me Closer
28 Mari Bone - Vuoi Vuoi Me (Schwarz Remix)
29 todd terje eurodans
30 The MFA - the Difference It makes (Superpitcher Mix)
31 Isolee - Pillowtalk
32 Black Leotard Front - Casual Friday
33 The Shortwave Set - Now Til 69 (Aeroplane Mix)
34 closer music - One Two Three ( No Gravity)
35 Gui Boratto - Like You (Supermayer Mix)
36 Lindstrom & Prins Thomas _ Mighty Girl
37 Dondolo Dragon (Shit Robot Mix)
38 Underworld - Crocodile (Ame Remix)
39 ada - The Red Shoes
40 Ricardo Villalobos - Dexter
41 Hercules & Love Affair - Blind (Frankie Knuckles remix)
42 Dj Koze - I Want To Sleep
43 Green Velvet - Shake And Pop
44 The Knife - Heartbeats (Rex The Dog Mix)
45 voigt & voigt - roxy
46 Margo - la Baumette (Broker/dealer Mix)
47 polmo polpo - kiss me again and again
48 John Tejade Sweat (On The Walls)
49 wighnomy brothers - Hide You hide you im schrankwand gewand
50 Gabriel Ananda - Ihre Persönliche Glucksmelodie

"Still Going Theme" always seemed like second-tier DFA to me.

cobblestone Jazz were, by far, the most overrated producers of that whole period.

yeah but - like, say, audion - they also produced two of the best tracks of that whole period

I don't disagree but I think if you look at any of the top two tunes of most of the big minimal producers - not just Villalobos or Luciano but also Eulberg, Ananda, Trentemoller, Holden, Loco Dice, even Minilogue - they'd be amazing tunes.

The idea of boring, interchangeable big room minimal schmininal has an appealing truthiness to it but it's always the "other stuff" we're talking about when we invoke it.

No females in that list because the only one with a big enough rep was Magda, whose productions mostly underwhelmed me. Some amazing producers with smaller reps obv.

otm w/ Magda, the very definition of solid, effective, but ultimately uninteresting minimal. Actually, there was this moment where a series of producers came around (Mathew Jonson would be one of the more redeemable examples, someone like Max Cooper [for instance] less so) who perfectly articulated what I thought I wanted from 'minimal', but who ultimately delivered something with no tension or character somehow...

the best cobblestone jazz and audion tracks were much better than the best of all those dudes except eulberg and holden and villalobos ... i know because i'm listening to kreucht & fleucht

did safari and pele bloss not place?

"even minilogue" made me LOL but i guess that means i need to know which tracks you're talking about

Nah I love "Dump Truck" and "Typerope" and "Mouth to Mouth" but I reckon "Ihre Personliche Glucksmelodie", "Doppelwhipper", "Bomberos", "Octagonal", Holden's "Safari" remix and Loco Dice's remix of Daniel Taylor's "M.O.R.D." were all >>

Trentemoller didn't have a tune that was better but "Physical Fraction" is pretty close, and I have started many a homemade comp with "Prana".

Minilogue's best tune was their remix of Jaia's "Orchestra 2.0" IIRC, the highpoint of minimal qua trance.

I guess generally I'm a maximalist not a minimalist which probably influences my choices and preferences here - even my favourite Jonson tunes are the ones that balanced out hooky tune with lots of mutable internal development (whereas a lot of his tunes fell on other side of that line and hence seemed either slightly monomaniacal or slightly formless).

One of the things that made me sort of turn against Jonston early on was this all Mathew Jonston mix I downloaded from Mark Consumption in 2004, where the mix from one to the other ultimately sounded transition-less and tension-less. Probably unfortunately, since ultimately I loved hearing those tunes out mixed with material that came from a different sonic palette.

Yes I had the exact same reaction to that mix!

there was this weird sense that Jonson was the producer who people who thought they were above minimal would make allowance for, which I found odd given few big producers were more "guilty" of most of the sound's key "crimes".

It was also weird how Jonson was associated with early mutations of dubstep at that time. Not just from the Consumption mixes, but some bloggers iirc.

Although maybe I could just be associating it with those mp3s of course! It's been a while...

Was it just that dubstep bloggers liked him and "decompression" had a vaguely syncopated beat? That had always been my assumption but maybe there was something more going on.

Man you know what Metope tune was really amazing that I had totally forgotten about? "Libertango". Just listened to Koivikko's 'Hot Pepper' mix again and the way it ends on this so great. Love metope's machine whiplash grooves.

Though I guess maybe he's still too brittle to click with Rev.

The last few tracks on Hot Pepper are so good. I remember thinking of how ground-breaking it sounded at the time. This demented electro-techno-minimal stomping sound. Also the first time I think I heard maximalist-minimalism...

...which kind of then bled into electrohouse after.

Also Beeze & Schmidt's "Meander" into Osborne's "Graphite" is some pinnacle of funky minimal ("Meander" actually sounds like a remix of "Da Funk").

There was another really good set of mixes kicking around that time, a blog I've forgotten about, but was mixing tracks like Motiivi:Tuntematon, 1939 w/ things like Yoshimoto, Du What U Du (Trentemøller Mix). Have to dig out my old HD for those proto-electrohouse mixes.

my top 10 minimal would be like: fizheuer, pele bloss, safari, india in me, mund zu mund, dinamo, cosmic sandwich ... uh

Have you heard that "M.O.R.D." remix Vahid?

son of raw loco dice version, dub kult's on and on and guy gerber stoppage time

no what's that and who's it by?

was just listening to kreucht & fleucht, so good

Is it just me or are all of your faves looooong ass tunes.

All very "let me take you on a journey... Into sound...."

Daniel Taylor - "M.O.R.D. (Loco Dice Remix)"

His best tune alongside the son of raw remix.

why yes tim, they are, that's why i was listening to so much radio slave at the time

Not a criticism! It just struck me seeing them listed together like that.

Obv long ass was a minimal m.o. at the time.

We should do a POX of funky percussive minimal (a la Dinky's "Horizontal") and other techno for Rev.

good life (luciano)

not so much minimal anymore as shading into rainforest maximal

he would like safari (holden) i bet

as well as houle's "bay of figs", son of raw, luciano's "good life" and misc. "ballet"

Is the "on and on" Guido Schneider remix too dry? Amazing percussion on that.

Schneider releasing a tune called "As Dry As I Can Be" was a great guilty lol of minimal.

Dunno about Houle, he's pretty rigid for rev's tastes? Like I get that he's funky in a techno sense but I think you need to have already internalized
machine beats to view him that way?

Curious to know what techno post oh 2007 (that's not actually like industrial post-dubstep or something, though that too I guess) people think fit into this category.