Does ANYONE on ILX like jam bands? I mean, really?

Geezus, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Have you heard "Slave to The Traffic Light" and "Harry Hood"?

It's funny, I used to feel the same way. Years later, all I listen to are live shows. I guess I finally "got" the live stuff in a big way. I remember I used to think, "it just sounds worse, why not listen to a nice clean recording?" It only takes a few GREAT shows to understand why the live shows are better in a hard-to-describe way. I would suggest the 10 disc Big Cypress show from New Years 99 or the "Runaway Golfcart Marathon" show in which every song has some reference to the OJ high-speed chase. Then, any of the earlier shows from the late 80s and early 90s. LIVE PHISH #9 from '89 is totally kickass straight through.

someone made a whole album comprised of dark star samples.

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It's a double disc Plunderphonics set called Grayfolded. It's pretty damn great. People who don't like the Dead can suck it.

Count me. Yes, I like jam bands. Some of them. jeez, can't people just treat "jam bands" as any other genre-definable band? The Grateful Dead & Phish were GREAT bands. However, bands like Widespread or SCI do very little for me. ILMers who would say the former and the latter are the same or can't tell the difference really make me question if they've listened to them or are merely parroting hivemind snark.

There are a number of other good bands: The New Deal, Lotus, Sound Tribe Sector 9, the bays, Brothers Past...are they jam bands? i don't know and i don't care. if i enjoy 3 12-15 minute songs/jams in a set or in a show isn't it the same as enjoying 4 or 5 songs out of 15 on an LP?

Also, if people knew enough about The Disco Biscuits to initiate and sustain a "why are they so bad and hated"-type-thread i would show my true colors and play the role of alex_in_nyc in relation to KJ.

I owned Red by God Street Wine for some unknown reason. Terrible!

I never liked the Grateful Dead that much, aside from American Beauty, Workingman's Dead, and Blues For Allah (the only Dead album I own).

I guess I like Phish the most out of that genre. They're pretty good overall. But their godlike status with some acquaintances of mine (who obsess over them about 20x as much as Alex obsesses over Killing Joke) is off-putting.

I always forget about it cause usually everyone is hating on them for being a jam-band and its not a jam-band song at all.

Oh no!

The thing that I appreciate about most jam bands is that they don't stereotype other types of music and rarely judge or -- as this thread does -- berate other music genres. They truly do this shit because they love to hear those notes floating through the air.

Because they figured out how to make money?

Have you ever heard: Wake of The Flood, What A Long Strange Trip 2 CD set, Skull and Roses, One From The Vault, Two From The Vault, Terrapin Station, Shakedown Street, Mars Hotel, Live Without A Net, Dick's Picks? If not, you've missed lots of great stuff and many different styles.
Take advantage of archive.org and download some of the best shows out there for free!

I even happen to like the albums most deadheads don't appreciate too much, like Go To Heaven and Blues For Allah.

Regardless of what you think of their music, Phish are/were some of the best musicians AND the best songwriters out there. Don't let their fans get in the way of your judgment of the band.

That said, I'm glad they broke up. Hopefully the members will do something new and interesting.

The handful of times I've seen Mule live have been some of my most satisfying musical experiences. And, on occasion, the fans have contributed to that. Any crowd on any given night can wrinkle yr opinion of what's onstage, but I've always found the fans at a Mule or Phish or whatever show to simply be more at ease and actually there for the show rather than there to be, you know, seen.

Some people seem to forget we pay to see and hear the bands, not them.

But, yeah, as it was told to me: "Warren Haynes is a for real cat."

Amen to that.

I also did forget to mention that I dled some Disco Biscuits at the suggestion of a couple ILMers and they're great too!

Despite the contrasting opinion expressed above, I really think jam bands are comparable to jazz... and blues. Buddy Guy and Eric Clapton are great jammers.

Sweet fancy moses! my compliments, you open-minded soul. if you ever want recommendations of shows or songs to check out, i will provide that service.

try those two and then maybe 12/31/04 to hear something like what they sound like now. new year's eve shows can sometimes be too gimmicky, especially for someone not familiar with the band, but if you want high-energy, the 2nd set is that in spades. that 1 cd hasn't left my changer in the 4 months since the show.

Oh, I also like Ween a lot of the time, who have some overlap in this scene.

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0033,tracker_writer.inc,13594,.html

(didn't feel this required a whole new thread)

The following is a list of jam bands, or bands on the jam-band circuit.

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7 Walkers

A

Acoustic Syndicate
Al and The Transamericans
Allman Brothers Band
Amfibian
Animal Liberation Orchestra
Apollo
Aquarium Rescue Unit
Aqueous
Assembly of Dust
Ataxia

B

Back Door Slam
Band of Gypsys
Banyan
Barefoot Manner
Béla Fleck and the Flecktones
Benevento/Russo Duo
Bernie Worrell & the WOO Warriors
Big Gigantic
Big Head Todd and the Monsters
Big Tasty
Biodiesel
The Big Wu
The Black Crowes

Blind Faith
Blues Project
Blues Traveler
Bob Weir & Ratdog
The Bomb Squad
BoomBox
The Brakes
The Breakfast
The Brew

The Bridge
Buckethead
Buckminster Fuller

C

The Cardinals
Centipede
Clutch
The Codetalkers
Colonel Bruce Hampton and the Pharaoh Gummit
Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains
Colonel Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade
Cope
Cornmeal (band)
Country Joe and the Fish
Cream (Band)

D

Dark Star Orchestra
Dave Matthews Band
David Nelson Band
Deep Banana Blackout
Derek Trucks Band
The Dirty Dozen Brass Band
The Disco Biscuits
Dispatch
Donavon Frankenreiter
DJ Logic
Donna the Buffalo

Dr.Dan Matrazzo and The Looters

E

Edie Brickell & New Bohemians
The Egg
Ekoostik hookah
Electric Apricot
The Electric Co.
EOTO
Evergreen (evergreenjams.com)
The Expendables

F

Family Groove Company
Fat Freddy's Drop
Freddy Jones Band
Fungus Amungus
Furthur
Future Rock

G

G. Love & Special Sauce
Gabe Dixon Band
Galactic
Galapagos
Garage A Trois
Garaj Mahal
Giant Panda Guerilla Dub Squad
Gneiss
God Street Wine
Gov't Mule
Grateful Dead
Grace Potter and the Nocturnals
The Grapes
Greensky Bluegrass

H

The Heavy Pets
Hot Buttered Rum
Hot Tuna
Hypnotic Clambake

I

Infamous Stringdusters
Ivan Neville's Dumpstaphunk

J

Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey
Jam Camp
Jazz Mandolin Project
Jefferson Airplane
Jerry Garcia Band
JGB
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
The Jimmy Swift Band
John Brown's Body
The John Butler Trio

K

Karl Denson's Tiny Universe
Keller Williams
Kudzu Kings
KVHW

L

Lake Trout (band)
Leaf Hound
Leftover Salmon
Legion of Mary (band)
Les Claypool
Les Claypool's Frog Brigade
Lettuce (band)
Little Barrie
Little Feat
Liquid Soul
Lotus

M

The Machine
Maktub
Man
The Mars Volta
The Marshall Tucker Band
Matisyahu
Max Creek
The McLovins
Medeski Martin & Wood
Medeski Scofield Martin & Wood
Michael Franti & Spearhead
moe.
Mofro
The Mother Hips
Motorpsycho
My Morning Jacket
Moon Taxi

N

New Deal
New Grass Revival
New Riders of the Purple Sage
New Monsoon
Nickel Creek
North Mississippi All-Stars
The New Mastersounds

O

Old and in the Way
Oteil Burbridge
The Other Ones
Oysterhead
Ozric Tentacles
O.A.R.

Octopus Nebula

P

Particle
Pat McGee Band
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Perpetual Groove
Phil Lesh & Friends
Phish
Pink Floyd
Pinot
Polyphonic Spree
Pnuma Trio
Primus
Pseudopod

Q

The Quark Alliance

R

The Radiators
Railroad Earth
RAQ
Ratdog
Red Levee Skyy
Raw Deluxe

Rhythm Devils
Robert Randolph and the Family Band
Rodrigo Y Gabriela
The Roots
Roster McCabe
Rubber Souldiers

Rusted Root
RX Bandits

S

Sabbatical
The Samples
SerialPod
Sister Hazel
Slightly Stoopid
The Slip
Soulfarm
Soulive
Soul Rebels Brass Band
Sound Tribe Sector 9
Spread
Spearhead
The Spin Doctors
Sprout
State Radio

Steve Kimock Band
Stockholm Syndrome
Strangefolk
The String Cheese Incident

T

Tea Leaf Green
Ten Ton Chicken
Toubab Krewe
Traffic
Trey Anastasio Band
Trigon
The Tubes

U

Umoja Orchestra
Umphrey's McGee

V

Vida Blue
Vinyl

W

The Waybacks
The Werks
Ween
Widespread Panic
The Word
Wilco

X

Xavier Rudd

Y

Yonder Mountain String Band

Z

Zero
Zilla
ZOX

PINK FLOYD RULES

no qms = no credibility

Sometimes, yeah.

Seeing Cream on that list reminded me of this: obviously hardly anyone thinks of the Who as a "jam band," but I was just listening to this the other day
http://youtu.be/qrBi4q_9Ji4
...and thinking how it just comprehensively demolishes Cream. And I like Cream, but man, the Who just flattened them.

i like pretty much every power trio that ripped off cream more than i like cream. and the who could kick almost anyone's ass in a jam band contest. if they felt like it. but they'd probably be too pissed off to feel like it and they'd just give you a dirty look. and then demolish you with music.

I think Gov't Mule is pretty good rock band. Warren Haynes is a rare modern sideman musician that was actually able to create an separate musical identity well over a decade into a career. If you like that late 60s/early 70s blues hard rock like Free or Allman Brothers or Cream etc., I'd figure you would find something to like in Gov't Mule's music.

I'd think if any of the corporate radio programmers would have mixed a band like them in on the radio next to the endless Bad Company and Led Zep or Stones tunes over the past couple of decades, they would have fit and probably would have a bit larger profile. They don't get the props but I think that is pretty canny of them to have pretty much every show they have done for years up for their fans to get from the band, usually pretty well recorded.

I just listened to a Moe. song a friend posted on fb. It wasn't terrible.

i love the dead (in addition to finally getting into a few shows, the americana albums are sorta obv great, and blues for allah is a gorgeous jazz fusion record anchored in songs and so feels to me very related to stuff like court and spark while also being totally different), love floyd and floyd bootlegs if those count. every time I've tried to get into phish, at least live, they seem like the worst possible evolution of fusion. their playing itself sounds so...self-involved, as much as you can ascribe that to a particular interplay. some of their songs are good though, I remember enjoying billy breathes

Sound Tribe Sector 9 has been going on about 20 years, so it's not necessarily a newer breed.

Also, don't forget to add Bassnectar to that list.

i'm just going off vague impressions from festival fliers and music listings. i guess he's squarely on the edm producer/dj side, then moving across the continuum you have live band edm shit like 'Big Gigantic', to regular ol' jam bands who bought keyboards and sampler pads

i have a friend who goes to the alex grey chapel of the sacred mirrors events all the time. cyperhippie stuff. lots of acid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gHFYSA9nJU

it's all about moon frog, baby...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIe7czOOfBo

she goes to these too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50Kk916Zp0

still going on today if you want to go. Flooting Grooves will be there.

http://www.fractaltribe.org/fractalfest2016/

fun crowd...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trdL24_PTqM

when i was growing up Max Creek were the Phish before Phish. but they were straight-up Dead worshippers. they still play too. i don't hate them! they even put out some decent records.

people i knew in the 80's would go see Max Creek when they needed a Dead fix and the Dead weren't touring.

the festival they have in town here every year looks like fun.

https://scontent.fbos1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13335993_10154814210172137_733663556762655819_n.jpg?oh=52666d2ab26d9c2121f7af8934cd2636&oe=57E905FD

i'm sure they wouldn't done great if they weren't apparently forbidden by their terms of parole from ever venturing more than 100 miles away from willimantic. :)

Someone posted on the live dead thread last week about some show that was the absolute favorite Dead show, so I dl'd it and tried to give a listen on a car trip. I couldn't switch it off fast enough.

lol sorry

that "playing in the band" tho

there should be a jam bands/albums poll

is anyone here a crusty enough ilxor to rescue the genre from disrespect???

Jam is so much more accepted now in indie circles it's crazy