wagging a finger without losing his cool is really the essence of al ship
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 October 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
ha ha
Well done btw.
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Thursday, 18 October 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
billboard should just get rid of every chart except the hot 100
― 乒乓, Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
is billboard 'too big to fail'? should billboard be nationalized for the benefit of the public?
thanks y'all
tagged werde on twitter, not thrilled w/ his response but i didn't expect much anyway, i just wanted to be heard
Bill Werde @bwerde @alshipley I respectfully disagree w much of your logic. But I've also addressed virtually every point already on twitter.
Bill Werde @bwerde @alshipley I'll add: you say "listeners" decided genre in old way. Not true. Only radio did. Now listeners do, via iTunes, Spotify etc.
― some dude, Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
And did he address said points or is he blowing smoke?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
that's pointedly ignoring the fact that itunes and spotify have certain demographics and userbases that mean their results are skewed in important ways
― i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
some dude vs old dude
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
from his picture i imagine he's maybe around my age or not a whole lot older
my piece was finished a few days ago so there ARE some things he's said to other people since then that address my points. am prob going to direct some specific questions to him on twitter tonight or tomorrow, will probably bring up m@tt's point and if anyone else has anything they'd like addressed
― some dude, Thursday, 18 October 2012 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
It seems he has not addressed the difference between itunes demographics and r'n'b/rap radio demographics
― curmudgeon, Friday, 19 October 2012 05:17 (eleven years ago) link
Would it be possible to think noz's pitchfork piece in conjunction with this? http://pitchfork.com/features/hall-of-game/8969-record-sales-and-digital-scales/
I've got to admit that I find it a bit more problematic than shipley's piece though.
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Friday, 19 October 2012 08:35 (eleven years ago) link
Macklemore & Ryan Lewis are in the r&b top 5.
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:51 (eleven years ago) link
errr top 25, it ain't that bad.
but still, goddamn
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:53 (eleven years ago) link
can somebody explain the relationship between the genre charts and radio playlists? cause i feel like there's something crucial i'm still not understanding. like, if a genre chart gets swamped by crossover/pop megastars, what's the impact on, say, the playlist of a radio station that specializes in that genre? why does it have to have any impact at all?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 October 2012 10:03 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't seen anyone arguing that radio playlists are going to change as a result of the new chart methodology, but I suppose if stations are using Billboard charts as a tool to tell them what's hot in their genre then those charts could have an impact.
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Friday, 19 October 2012 10:46 (eleven years ago) link
well, given that the change is a week old, it's hard to say what the long term effect will be on radio, if any. my fear is that a lot more stations will start to sound like the one awkwardly straddling urban and pop playlists in D.C. that i described upthread: Itunes, Billboard, and the marginalization of black music and black audiences in America
― some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 10:48 (eleven years ago) link
Some of Werde's tweets seemed to imply that he does not recognize, as was noted upthread, that r'n'b/rap radio stations receive calls and communication from their listeners; and that simply dismissing the old way as "radio" dictating, is not fully accurate. He also does not get into how itunes and spotify listeners make their selections.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.spin.com/blogs/how-did-psys-gangnam-style-become-the-no-1-rap-song-in-the-country
― curmudgeon, Friday, 26 October 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i saw that the other day, nice of brandon to give me a shoutout
i tweeted a bunch of follow-up questions to Werde (including about why the R&B/Hip-Hop chart includes any popular R&B of any kind but pop rap like PSY and Flo Rida is still excluded) but dude seems to be actively ignoring me while engaging w/ belligerent Carrie Underwood fans
― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Friday, 26 October 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
i mean i have a lot of respect for what he and billboard do, and he seems to be friendly w/ some of my people (maura, whiney), so maybe i got off on the wrong foot w/ him, it's a shame
― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Friday, 26 October 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
He seems to be defensive in general, so it might be hard for anyone to get him to address this further
― curmudgeon, Friday, 26 October 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/arts/music/billboards-chart-changes-draw-fire.html?pagewanted=1&ref=arts
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 October 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link
Salt-n-Pepa's Legends of Hip Hop Tour featuring: Salt-n-Pepa, Doug E. Fresh, Big Daddy Kane, Right Said Fred, Kool Moe Dee and Kurtis Blow.
― Andy K, Saturday, 27 October 2012 12:32 (eleven years ago) link
It's not like you were abrasive.
― Andy K, Saturday, 27 October 2012 12:56 (eleven years ago) link
The weird thing is that "Diamonds" is on the R&B chart while "Let Me Love You," which is right behind it on the Hot 100, isn't -- even though the latter, while having dancepop leanings, sounds much more in line with the R&B format. (The other night I heard a live version of it -- dude's band is unbelievably tight.) Would love to know how the decisions as far as which songs go on which charts are made.
Also I didn't realize that all the format-specific charts now use total radio airplay stats (hence "Diamonds" barreling up to No. 1 from No. 66 on the R&B chart and staying there and ugh I loathe that song so much, it's so DREARY). That seems to eliminate the need for genre-specific charts in my eyes. Or maybe it's a leading indicator in the way radio is going -- music formats that aren't top-40/Hot AC/primarily old songs are certainly on the wane here in NYC (the merger of Kiss-FM and WBLS so that ESPN Radio could get the 98.7 frequency, the recently resurgent alt-rock station at 101.9 FM imminently being taken over by sports chat). It's depressing, especially given that the discovery tools on digital-music services are for the most part pretty poor.
― maura, Saturday, 27 October 2012 13:02 (eleven years ago) link
Six R&B (or "R&B") songs entered the R&B/Hip-Hop chart in October. Six.
Ciara - "Sorry"Faith Evans - "Tears of Joy"Whitney Houston - "I Look to You"Rihanna - "Diamonds"Avery Sunshine - "Ugly Part of Me"The Weeknd - "Wicked Games"
― Andy K, Saturday, 27 October 2012 13:19 (eleven years ago) link
did they randomly change their minds about including train on the rock chart or did it just drop so much that i can't see it on the online version of the chart? i am guessing it's not the latter considering some of the things located in the 10-25 region of the chart rn
― teledyldonix, Saturday, 27 October 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
lmao yup, looks like they removed the song from the chart after one week, when it debuted at peaked at #4. that they are actually changing their minds about what songs merit inclusion on a chart shows how much of a mess this shit is. shameful.
― teledyldonix, Saturday, 27 October 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
considering that I didn't see anyone else make the point about Train publicly before my piece, i'm very tempted to take some credit for that
― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Saturday, 27 October 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
Twitter has basically allowed every semi-major dude to treat any legit critic of their actions as the equivalent of the worst twit-trolls they've encountered.
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Sunday, 28 October 2012 00:27 (eleven years ago) link
xp you changed chart history!
― teledyldonix, Sunday, 28 October 2012 09:01 (eleven years ago) link
haha well actually nevermind, i thought Train went missing from the chart the week after my piece ran but it was the same week, so i rescind my pretending to take credit. still, pretty interesting to see clear evidence of them not being so sure of themselves w/ some of these genre distinctions.
― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Sunday, 28 October 2012 11:21 (eleven years ago) link
the R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart was just downsized from top 40 to top 25 on the main Billboard site, which is not a big deal but another thing pissing me off
― some dude, Friday, 23 November 2012 02:57 (eleven years ago) link
damn
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 November 2012 03:05 (eleven years ago) link
"Adorn" is currently #10 on airplay and #71 on digital.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 November 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
The highest it's gone on the latter is #49.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 November 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
Overall airplay, not r&b airplay, if that needs clarification.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 November 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
#10 on Radio Songs is actually uncommonly high for a recent R&B radio hit w/ minimal pop radio crossover too -- "Climax" was probably the next highest this year and it peaked at #16
― The Doc Morbama (some dude), Saturday, 24 November 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
serious lols at the cover of miranda lambert's "over you" from the voice being #3 on the country chart this week
― teledyldonix, Saturday, 1 December 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
oh god yeah i didn't even think about what talent shows are gonna do to these charts now
― susan dey with jigga (some dude), Saturday, 1 December 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
shd have a talent show/glee covers chart imo
― subwe - hopelessly addicted to a certain kind of sandwich (m bison), Saturday, 1 December 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
"Diamonds" is still number one on the R&B Songs chart.
Has anyone heard this song on an R&B station?
― Andy K, Monday, 10 December 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it has actually climbed up the R&B airplay chart over time, is at #13 now, i hear it here and there. the Kanye remix helped, too.
― some dude, Monday, 10 December 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
also "we are never ever getting back together" has 'made chart history' by breaking the record for longest run at #1 on country songs
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
wish we were discussing Herb Alpert's "Diamonds"
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
sorry, for solo females
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
"Gangnam Style" is now 17th on the Billboard Latin Airplay chart
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 05:09 (eleven years ago) link
yeah sometimes somewhat unexpected songs do pretty well on latin (adele and lmfao placed a number of singles on it recently)
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 06:27 (eleven years ago) link
― teledyldonix, Monday, December 10, 2012 8:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
one thing i love is that practically EVERY current country act's wiki page (besides Taylor's) now has Country Airplay added to its chart info to reflect the popularity of recent singles -- it's a shame fans of other genres whose charts got screwed with aren't as fired up about this as country fans.
― some dude, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 11:33 (eleven years ago) link