It seems he has not addressed the difference between itunes demographics and r'n'b/rap radio demographics
― curmudgeon, Friday, 19 October 2012 05:17 (eleven years ago) link
Would it be possible to think noz's pitchfork piece in conjunction with this? http://pitchfork.com/features/hall-of-game/8969-record-sales-and-digital-scales/
I've got to admit that I find it a bit more problematic than shipley's piece though.
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Friday, 19 October 2012 08:35 (eleven years ago) link
Macklemore & Ryan Lewis are in the r&b top 5.
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:51 (eleven years ago) link
errr top 25, it ain't that bad.
but still, goddamn
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:53 (eleven years ago) link
can somebody explain the relationship between the genre charts and radio playlists? cause i feel like there's something crucial i'm still not understanding. like, if a genre chart gets swamped by crossover/pop megastars, what's the impact on, say, the playlist of a radio station that specializes in that genre? why does it have to have any impact at all?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 October 2012 10:03 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't seen anyone arguing that radio playlists are going to change as a result of the new chart methodology, but I suppose if stations are using Billboard charts as a tool to tell them what's hot in their genre then those charts could have an impact.
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Friday, 19 October 2012 10:46 (eleven years ago) link
well, given that the change is a week old, it's hard to say what the long term effect will be on radio, if any. my fear is that a lot more stations will start to sound like the one awkwardly straddling urban and pop playlists in D.C. that i described upthread: Itunes, Billboard, and the marginalization of black music and black audiences in America
― some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 10:48 (eleven years ago) link
Some of Werde's tweets seemed to imply that he does not recognize, as was noted upthread, that r'n'b/rap radio stations receive calls and communication from their listeners; and that simply dismissing the old way as "radio" dictating, is not fully accurate. He also does not get into how itunes and spotify listeners make their selections.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.spin.com/blogs/how-did-psys-gangnam-style-become-the-no-1-rap-song-in-the-country
― curmudgeon, Friday, 26 October 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i saw that the other day, nice of brandon to give me a shoutout
i tweeted a bunch of follow-up questions to Werde (including about why the R&B/Hip-Hop chart includes any popular R&B of any kind but pop rap like PSY and Flo Rida is still excluded) but dude seems to be actively ignoring me while engaging w/ belligerent Carrie Underwood fans
― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Friday, 26 October 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
i mean i have a lot of respect for what he and billboard do, and he seems to be friendly w/ some of my people (maura, whiney), so maybe i got off on the wrong foot w/ him, it's a shame
― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Friday, 26 October 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
He seems to be defensive in general, so it might be hard for anyone to get him to address this further
― curmudgeon, Friday, 26 October 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/arts/music/billboards-chart-changes-draw-fire.html?pagewanted=1&ref=arts
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 October 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link
Salt-n-Pepa's Legends of Hip Hop Tour featuring: Salt-n-Pepa, Doug E. Fresh, Big Daddy Kane, Right Said Fred, Kool Moe Dee and Kurtis Blow.
― Andy K, Saturday, 27 October 2012 12:32 (eleven years ago) link
It's not like you were abrasive.
― Andy K, Saturday, 27 October 2012 12:56 (eleven years ago) link
The weird thing is that "Diamonds" is on the R&B chart while "Let Me Love You," which is right behind it on the Hot 100, isn't -- even though the latter, while having dancepop leanings, sounds much more in line with the R&B format. (The other night I heard a live version of it -- dude's band is unbelievably tight.) Would love to know how the decisions as far as which songs go on which charts are made.
Also I didn't realize that all the format-specific charts now use total radio airplay stats (hence "Diamonds" barreling up to No. 1 from No. 66 on the R&B chart and staying there and ugh I loathe that song so much, it's so DREARY). That seems to eliminate the need for genre-specific charts in my eyes. Or maybe it's a leading indicator in the way radio is going -- music formats that aren't top-40/Hot AC/primarily old songs are certainly on the wane here in NYC (the merger of Kiss-FM and WBLS so that ESPN Radio could get the 98.7 frequency, the recently resurgent alt-rock station at 101.9 FM imminently being taken over by sports chat). It's depressing, especially given that the discovery tools on digital-music services are for the most part pretty poor.
― maura, Saturday, 27 October 2012 13:02 (eleven years ago) link
Six R&B (or "R&B") songs entered the R&B/Hip-Hop chart in October. Six.
Ciara - "Sorry"Faith Evans - "Tears of Joy"Whitney Houston - "I Look to You"Rihanna - "Diamonds"Avery Sunshine - "Ugly Part of Me"The Weeknd - "Wicked Games"
― Andy K, Saturday, 27 October 2012 13:19 (eleven years ago) link
did they randomly change their minds about including train on the rock chart or did it just drop so much that i can't see it on the online version of the chart? i am guessing it's not the latter considering some of the things located in the 10-25 region of the chart rn
― teledyldonix, Saturday, 27 October 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
lmao yup, looks like they removed the song from the chart after one week, when it debuted at peaked at #4. that they are actually changing their minds about what songs merit inclusion on a chart shows how much of a mess this shit is. shameful.
― teledyldonix, Saturday, 27 October 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
considering that I didn't see anyone else make the point about Train publicly before my piece, i'm very tempted to take some credit for that
― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Saturday, 27 October 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
Twitter has basically allowed every semi-major dude to treat any legit critic of their actions as the equivalent of the worst twit-trolls they've encountered.
― Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Sunday, 28 October 2012 00:27 (eleven years ago) link
xp you changed chart history!
― teledyldonix, Sunday, 28 October 2012 09:01 (eleven years ago) link
haha well actually nevermind, i thought Train went missing from the chart the week after my piece ran but it was the same week, so i rescind my pretending to take credit. still, pretty interesting to see clear evidence of them not being so sure of themselves w/ some of these genre distinctions.
― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Sunday, 28 October 2012 11:21 (eleven years ago) link
the R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart was just downsized from top 40 to top 25 on the main Billboard site, which is not a big deal but another thing pissing me off
― some dude, Friday, 23 November 2012 02:57 (eleven years ago) link
damn
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 November 2012 03:05 (eleven years ago) link
"Adorn" is currently #10 on airplay and #71 on digital.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 November 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
The highest it's gone on the latter is #49.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 November 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
Overall airplay, not r&b airplay, if that needs clarification.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 November 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
#10 on Radio Songs is actually uncommonly high for a recent R&B radio hit w/ minimal pop radio crossover too -- "Climax" was probably the next highest this year and it peaked at #16
― The Doc Morbama (some dude), Saturday, 24 November 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
serious lols at the cover of miranda lambert's "over you" from the voice being #3 on the country chart this week
― teledyldonix, Saturday, 1 December 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
oh god yeah i didn't even think about what talent shows are gonna do to these charts now
― susan dey with jigga (some dude), Saturday, 1 December 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
shd have a talent show/glee covers chart imo
― subwe - hopelessly addicted to a certain kind of sandwich (m bison), Saturday, 1 December 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
"Diamonds" is still number one on the R&B Songs chart.
Has anyone heard this song on an R&B station?
― Andy K, Monday, 10 December 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it has actually climbed up the R&B airplay chart over time, is at #13 now, i hear it here and there. the Kanye remix helped, too.
― some dude, Monday, 10 December 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
also "we are never ever getting back together" has 'made chart history' by breaking the record for longest run at #1 on country songs
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
wish we were discussing Herb Alpert's "Diamonds"
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
sorry, for solo females
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
"Gangnam Style" is now 17th on the Billboard Latin Airplay chart
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 05:09 (eleven years ago) link
yeah sometimes somewhat unexpected songs do pretty well on latin (adele and lmfao placed a number of singles on it recently)
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 06:27 (eleven years ago) link
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one thing i love is that practically EVERY current country act's wiki page (besides Taylor's) now has Country Airplay added to its chart info to reflect the popularity of recent singles -- it's a shame fans of other genres whose charts got screwed with aren't as fired up about this as country fans.
― some dude, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 11:33 (eleven years ago) link
"Thrift Shop" being in the top ten of the r&b chart is even more ridiculous than the "Diamonds" thing
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
It should be noted that after 13 weeks at the top of the roost, "Adorn" is the "greatest gainer" in r&b airplay.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 12:45 (eleven years ago) link
it's also #10 on Radio Songs, which is easily the highest any R&B song has gotten w/o pop crossover all year ("Climax" got no higher than #16), so the extent of its playlist saturation is staggering.
― some dude, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 13:06 (eleven years ago) link
billboard's year-end charts are out:
http://www.billboard.com/news/the-best-of-2012-the-year-in-music-1008045682.story#/news/the-best-of-2012-the-year-in-music-1008045682.story
as i'd hoped, they used the old methodology (pre-October changes) for the year-end genre charts:
http://www.billboard.com/news/the-best-of-2012-the-year-in-music-1008045682.story#/news/the-best-of-2012-the-year-in-music-1008045682.story?page=2
― some dude, Saturday, 15 December 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
"Diamonds" obviously nowhere on the year-end R&B list
― some dude, Saturday, 15 December 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
damn "love on top" was that big of a hit, huh
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 15 December 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
"lotus flower bomb" was the third biggest hit of THIS YEAR?
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 15 December 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
There was like a six- to eight-month period where I would turn on the radio and hear "Lotus Flower Bomb" within the first three songs.
I try not to speak of those days.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 15 December 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
"Party" actually got airplay down here than LOT.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 December 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link