(also because their music is pretty bad)
Well that's, like, your opinion, man.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
And bad music has never been known to top P4k's poll.
― Room 227 (cryptosicko), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
yeah yeah i know but i have a p good feeling about this
― flopson, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
it's all part of my larger pet theory about how the site is trying to position itself in the new decade, based on editorial & staff choices in the past 2 years
― flopson, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
just checked out voices from the lake, it was very boring.
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
i find it spellbinding when it's late at night or very early on a grey morning or when i'm hungover or ill
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
dance music wise, i think i returned to techno in a big way this year, a lot of what i was into 2009-11 began to really bore me
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
don't feel like reviving an old thread and would just like to state for the record that nothing and i mean NOTHING gets more of a reaction and more show of interest than when i put on an old Kompakt cd in my store. 3 and a half years of people coming in the store and its not even close. i had that first speicher comp on the other day and multiple people had that reaction i'm so used to now: what IS that? or what is THAT? young, old, hip, not so hip. its uncanny. it helps that they sound better than 80% of the CDs i own. i play them all day when i'm in the mood. will never get sick of them. feel kinda bad that i don't keep up with the label. they are the perfect "album" experience even when they are mixes. i love 12 inches too though...
― scott seward, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
scott - my favourite kompakt thing this year is this gorgeous kolombo single...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK8KqlTdXkI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWXR-99DL20
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
will listen! it helped that i actually used to live somewhere that carried all the CDs and vinyl as it came out. and when we moved i lost track. and i love buying the CDs because of that superior sound.
― scott seward, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
Lex OTM about the right setting for Voices From The Lake.
Any state where you're hovering in and out of sleep is pretty great for it too. I was first getting into it while I was in hospital in May and it was perfect.
― Tim F, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
rev, by "stuff like andy stott..." do you mean like specifically four-on-the-floor music that would never get played in a club, or spacey headphone electronic music in general?
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:59 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
My interest in electronic music is very much (but not absolutely) driven by how it works as dance music, and I've never had any interest in ambient or ambient-leaning stuff at all. I can appreciate a couple tracks like that as setting pieces on a more dance-oriented album, but really only as the buildup to something greater. I'd never listen to a whole album in that vein. For non-dance-oriented music, I very much prefer r&b/rap.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
"We need more metal critics voting in P&J. Do it for the bands!"
i don't know if i've ever really considered myself a metal critic, but i'll take it! i mean a dude at a metal mag liked my stuff and it was fun while it lasted. i love metal, don't get me wrong...
my only new favorite metal album is the deiphago album. i'm out of the loop. everyone should buy it though!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwQ9g5rW5jg
― scott seward, Thursday, 29 November 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
no chance anything but Channel Orange tops P4k's list
― alpine static, Thursday, 29 November 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
it's funny how our tastes intersect rev, i'm into almost everything on your list and have a deep interest in syncopated dance music, but my heart is really in that sweet spot where ambient/textural/etc meets dope beats, and i don't really care how they work on the dance floor (i mean i do, but i don't).
that said, anything that could be branded as "ambient techno" doesn't do it for me. i do like andy stott a lot and have no idea how he gets certain sounds, but don't love the new one as much as a lot of people seem to.
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Thursday, 29 November 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
would not vote P&J in a heartbeat if urged by the great old discarded staffers or asked to back some viable alternative but otherwise i just gotta. if everyone stopped voting in P&J the 'protest' wouldn't get any widespread recognition and the only real result would be Pitchfork taking an even bigger piece of the year end narrative pie.
― trinidad jokes (some dude), Thursday, 29 November 2012 23:38 (eleven years ago) link
what's the script re p&j and why are the voice noli mi tangere?
― jed_, Friday, 30 November 2012 00:02 (eleven years ago) link
Deiphago is amazing!
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 30 November 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:09 PM Bookmark
When UK funky came about I said somewhere that a huge part of why I liked it was its very specific disinterest in sound design frippery! I think that also applies to some of the stuff I'm really into now like ballroom, jersey club, etc.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Friday, 30 November 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure this is just a breakdown of the I'm a rhythm nerd, Lex is a sound design nerd thing. (Whereas you're both?)
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Friday, 30 November 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
I've had to find myself treating these two styles of dance music as utterly different beasts I guess. I listen to both, but it depends on my mood, the season etc
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 30 November 2012 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
yeah totallyxp
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Friday, 30 November 2012 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
this goat thing is kicking my ass
― Andrew Sandwich, Friday, 30 November 2012 04:26 (eleven years ago) link
it's like a rock band in a room or something
― Andrew Sandwich, Friday, 30 November 2012 04:30 (eleven years ago) link
Voices From The Lake definitely aren't for everyone, and it definitely needs to be heard in specific settings. So it's not hard to see why critics haven't rallied around it like they did for more accessible techno albums in the past (e.g. Isolee, Justice).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 30 November 2012 07:28 (eleven years ago) link
There was this Kompakt track from earlier in the year as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEDcNCuNFCc
― MikoMcha, Friday, 30 November 2012 07:37 (eleven years ago) link
That track's cool, but I would have gotten much more excited about it if it came out five years ago when that kind of piano house was first reemerging.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Friday, 30 November 2012 08:01 (eleven years ago) link
Uncut Top 75 Albums:
1 Leonard Cohen - Old Ideas2 Bob Dylan - Tempest3 Jack White - Blunderbuss4 Dr John - Locked Down5 Frank Ocean - Channel Orange6 Bill Fay - Life is People7 Ty Segall & White Fence - Hair8 Grizzly Bear - Shields9 Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Psychedelic Pill10 Bruce Springsteen - Wrecking Ball11 Tame Impala - Bonerism12 Go-Kart Mozart - On The Hot Dog Stands13 Dexys - One Day I'm Going To Soar14 Paul Buchanan - Mid Air15 Field Music - Plumb16 The Ty Segall Band - Slaughterhouse17 Grimes - Visions18 Sharon Van Etten - Tramp19 Neneh Cherry and The Thing - The Cherry Thing20 The xx - Coexist21 Beachwood Sparks - The Tarnished Gold22 Mark Lanegan Band - Blues Funeral23 Julia Holter - Ekstasis24 Allah-Las - Allah-Las25 Patti Smith - Banga26 Graham Coxon - A&E27 Alabama Shakes - Boys & Girls28 Paul Weller - Sonik Kicks29 The Chris Robinson Brotherhood - Big Moon Ritual30 Ry Cooder - Election Special31 Hot Chip - In Our Heads32 Richard Hawley - Standing At The Sky's Edge33 Micachu & The Shapes - Never34 Bobby Womack - The Braves Man In Universe35 Six Organs of Admittance - Ascent36 Sun Kil Moon - Among The Leaves37 Patterson Hood - Heat Lightning Rumbles In The Distance38 Lightships - Electric Cables39 Dirty Three - Toward The Low Sun40 First Aid Kit - The Lion's Roar41 Flying Lotus - Until The Quiet Comes42 Dirty Projectors - Swing Lo Magellan43 Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Americana44 Sun Araw & M Geddes Gengras Meet The Congos - Icon Give Thank45 Japandroids - Celebration Rock46 Cat Power - Sun47 Anais Mitchell - Young Man In America48 Howlin Rain - The Russian Wilds49 Damon Albarn - Dr Dee50 Laetitia Sadier - Silencio51 Lana Del Rey - Born To Die52 Cate Le Bon - Cyrk53 PiL - This is PiL54 Yeti Lane - The Echo Show55 The 2 Bears - Be Strong56 Pond - Beard, Wives, Denim57 David Byrne & St. Vincent - Love This Giant58 Donald Fagen - Sunken Condos59 Father John Misty - Fear Fun60 The Liminanas - Crystal Anis61 Thee Oh Sees - Putrifiers II62 Ian Hunter & The Rant Band - When I'm President63 Calexico - Algiers64 Orbital - Wonky65 Nite Jewel - One Second Of Love66 Goat - World Music67 Cornershop - Urban Turban: The Singhles Club68 Woods - Bend Beyond69 Ty Segall - Twins70 Simone Felice - Simone Felice71 Lee Ranaldo - Between The Times And The Tides72 Rufus Wainwright - Out of The Game73 The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Meat + Bone74 Bat For Lashes - The Haunted Man75 Carter Tutti Void - Transverse
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 30 November 2012 10:01 (eleven years ago) link
11 Tame Impala - Bonerism
lol
― Neil S, Friday, 30 November 2012 10:04 (eleven years ago) link
Bonerism and Grizzly by Bear Shields are my favourite albums of the year
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 30 November 2012 10:06 (eleven years ago) link
Gotta give them some credit, until I saw their name I thought this was the waiting list at an erectile dysfunction unit.
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 30 November 2012 10:19 (eleven years ago) link
shurely it should be "On the Hot Dog Streets" for Go-Kart Mozart as well?
― Neil S, Friday, 30 November 2012 10:26 (eleven years ago) link
I have no idea, I just c&p'ed from some other fool who typed it all in.
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 30 November 2012 10:27 (eleven years ago) link
these typos shall not stand!
― Neil S, Friday, 30 November 2012 10:32 (eleven years ago) link
I thought that Vatican Shadow album was going to be too bleak to hold my attention but I was completely hooked into it by the second track. It's actually very beautiful in a few places, the last track particularly so.
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 November 2012 10:36 (eleven years ago) link
well i loved Prurient's last album - really satisfying for industrial/electronics, and I'm really not a big fan of cold/harsh sounds on the whole.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 30 November 2012 10:39 (eleven years ago) link
Kind of funny that the Cohen album is called "Old Ideas"
― Number None, Friday, 30 November 2012 10:51 (eleven years ago) link
Bit late to the jazz picks discussion, but the Mojo top 5 sucks. Jazzwise isn't much better. That's the sort of boring, noodly stuff that gives people the idea that jazz is only something you listen to when you put up your clubbing shoes. Surely I can't be the only person to find most of what ECM puts out to be terribly polite and unexciting? Although in the Jazzwise list I do like the Django Bates album - ingenious, but not too clever, with some delightfully skewed rhythms and strong tunes. Robert Glasper seems to be hailed as some kind of hip-hop bad ass, but his stuff just sounds like the most polite end of 90s nu-soul, with a few post-bop flourishes. Roller Trio got the Mercury Nod, but it's has that problem with a lot of the UK rock/electronic influenced jazz - it's a bit muso and seems reluctant to kick up into top gear. It's not that everything has to be Thing style skronk 'n roll, but the best jazz-rock crossover stuff is that which taps into the ecstatic spirit of the music, rather than simply borrow some formal tropes.Cherry Thing isn't the best jazz album of the year, but when it works it's fantastic and I'm glad to see it cropping up on a few lists. As Ward Fowler said, it's not easy to pull of vocals and free jazz, but they nail it. Some of the best bits are the quieter tracks - the Suicide and MF Doom covers - but it's great to hear Neneh wailing while Gustafsson and co tear it up. I've still to hear the Thing & Barry Guy LP (ltd edition) but the live clips online are fantastic. Barry Guy's duo album with Liudus Makunis (sp?) is fantastic too - dude is one of the most inventive and powerful bassists around. Burning Ambulance list is pretty great (Charles Gayle LP fantastic) but no Brotzmann beyond Full Blast? He's had an incredible year and the Yatagarasu album is one of the best things he's ever done (the solo & Trio Roma double with Massimo Pupillo and Paal Nilsson-Love is incredible too. I appreciate that a lot of these come out on tiny labels and often get overlooked. I expect that one will probably get into the Wire's top 50 though. William Parker's Essence of Ellington and the David S Ware/Planetary Unknown live LP would be in there too. The latter was my number one, and not just for sentimental reasons - truly exhilarating, spiritual music.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Friday, 30 November 2012 11:25 (eleven years ago) link
Clarification: by 'in there too' I mean my personal favourites, not the Wire list. Oh for an edit function...
Emily, that Thing/Otomo Yoshihide album is absolutely fantastic. Came out late last year on Smalltown Superjazz along with a (also great) Jim O'Rourke/Thing jam - both were recorded at the same venue in Tokyo. Yoshihide on guitar rather than turntable - and he absolutely shreds it. Might give it a spin later on, now you mention it.
Other good Thing related things this year... Paal Nilssen-Love has been one of this year's MVPs. In addition to the aforementioned Brotz platter, he's on the butt-kickin' new Lean Left (w Ken Vandermark & the Ex guitarists), the terrific Bobby Bradford set on No Business and no doubt a whole bunch of other stuff I've missed. Mats and Paal also did a very enjoyable record with Ethopian krar player Mesele Asmamaw. Oh, and latest Fire! album with Oren Ambarchi is a monster, with some primordial shrieks and baritone growls from Gustafsson and amazing guitar from OA which sounds like the Large Hadron Collider.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Friday, 30 November 2012 11:49 (eleven years ago) link
Bonerism is my deliberate typo to see who is C&P. A bit like a phantom street on a map.
― Mitchell Stirling, Friday, 30 November 2012 12:47 (eleven years ago) link
Phantom boners of ILM
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 30 November 2012 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
Afropop Worldwide hints at their list:
Fri. 11/30 10p: Join us for a festive Afropop Worldwide ritual, as Georges Collinet sits down with Banning Eyre to mull over the best new releases of 2012.
We'll hear from K'Naan, Staff Benda Bilili, Sierra Leone's Refugee Allstars, Mokoomba, Ondatropica, Alex Cuba, The Very Best, Janka Nabay.... As usual, Georges and Banning will run out of time long before they run out of tunes
― curmudgeon, Friday, 30 November 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
― trinidad jokes (some dude), Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this
― Room 227 (cryptosicko), Friday, 30 November 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
Also, is there a legacy act that put out an album this year (including Neil Young's two!) that Uncut didn't put on their list?
― Room 227 (cryptosicko), Friday, 30 November 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
When UK funky came about I said somewhere that a huge part of why I liked it was its very specific disinterest in sound design frippery!
i don't know if this is true for the early days of uk funky, given how much it drew on house music with impeccable sound design!
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Friday, 30 November 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
as for P&J, i guess i'm kinda with some dude except the idea of the essays being written by the current staff gives me the heebie-jeebies
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Friday, 30 November 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
xpNo John Cale and that was the best of the old timers.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Friday, 30 November 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Friday, November 30, 2012 9:58 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm its classy high-end sound design was part of the appeal!
― D-40, Friday, 30 November 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
and it was specifically a contrast to the grime that preceded it!
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Friday, 30 November 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
There was a bit of both, the Perempay & Dee/Crazy Cousins end was pretty glossy but "high end sound design" is probably overstating it a bit. A lot of it was pretty rudimentary in its production values though although maybe not to grime levels.
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 November 2012 16:13 (eleven years ago) link