again, i will say it, and loud: I WANT MY PISTACHIO MEDLEY BOX SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 03:18 (eleven years ago) link
yeah only 7 pistachio songs out of the 70-something pieces, none of my favorites either
― black redhead (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 4 December 2012 06:30 (eleven years ago) link
And into the listen. Damn, it might just actually sound better, this remaster!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
agreed, it cuts more and it's a little less muddy on the low end. all the heavy tracks sound glorious.
― black redhead (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
That box sort-of reminds me of the Andy Partridge "Fuzzy Warbles" total-box-set..
It has stamp-sheets, an envelope that says it contains 'hinges' but in fact it has another CD..
And 9 other CDs.
And a 'best-of' in a envelope..
And a book...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
Listened to the first bonus disc yesterday, on the rest today. Loving all this. It'll never fully replace all the bootlegs because it's more like a wide sampling of so many different tracks as opposed to an every-last-track thing but it's just great hearing so many of these songs all the more cleanly now.
Also "Set the Ray to Jerry" remains one of the best things they ever, ever did.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
Okay this 'barbershop' version of "Jupiter's Lament" is lovely.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
favorites so far - Dizzle (didn't stand out to me on the gravity demos, but this home demo is just gorgeous), the 1979 demo (the one that billy made the afternoon after flood told him the song wasn't ready for the album and got to change his mind), Phang, Knuckles, Ruby take 7, Jellybelly pit mix, Bagpipes drone, Cherry remix, Wishing You Were Real, My Blue Heaven remix, Isolation cover, Autumn Nocturne.....so many great nuggets on here!
― black redhead (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
The first line of "Stumbleine" sounds like "Subterranean Homesick Blues." Ha!
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
ha! Johnny's in the basement, mixin' up the loose teeth....
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
could actually be a cool Dylanesque way of expressing that the guy was shooting dice down there actually
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
Ordered this last night, can't wait to get it.
― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 6 December 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
Spazz can you make me a copy
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 6 December 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
I'm hoping Santa Claus drops the vinyl set in my stocking this christmas
― Moodles, Thursday, 6 December 2012 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
i dug out mellon collie last night. it's a rare example of a double album with very very few bad moments on it.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 6 December 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
yup, the only replacements i would make are "The Boy" instead of "Love," and "Meladori Magpie," "Jupiter's Lament," or "My Blue Heaven" instead of "Take Me Down."
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 6 December 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
i like both those songs. i always loved the guitar sound on Love especially. And Take Me Down is slight, but nice and it has Iha singing on it.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 6 December 2012 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
billy could've kept the band together by promising iha 2 songs no questions asked on all future albums. then he'd be able to say he gave him a shot, and that iha wasn't really a "repressed talent" like he thought and people would stop jumping to the conclusion that billy was an asshole for not putting any shite songs on his records.
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 6 December 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
xp Is it confirmed that all the Pistachio Medley bits were pulled from full-length songs?
― billstevejim, Thursday, 6 December 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think the seeds of resentment against Billy from fans or bandmates really has much at all to do w/ whether he let other people write SP songs (xp)
― some dude, Thursday, 6 December 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
-not all the pastichio medley bits are full songs, many are likely culled from longer jams-most of james' resentment was a result of being put down by billy continually
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 6 December 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
if he was trying to get his songs on the albums all the time maybe he deserved to be put down?
― some dude, Thursday, 6 December 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
xxp But it is interesting how much of the popular disdain for Smashing Pumpkins has to with Billy Corgan as a person, and the dysfunctionality inherent in the Smashing Pumpkins narrative. There's really nothing sexy about their story at all. We have a fairly unattractive egomaniac with a penchant for publicly berating his enemies, two people who supposedly couldn't play their instruments very well, a junkie drummer. There's really not a good story in there, and there are certainly no heroes-- unsung or otherwise; it's all ugly.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 6 December 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
poliopolice...otm?
― some dude, Thursday, 6 December 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
oh come on, i can be right some of the time
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
apparently!
― some dude, Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
Obviously, it's hard to have the right opinions on subjective things 100% of the time.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
I can't understand how the dysfunctional relationships between band members, or really any of what you cite beyond "Billy Corgan as a person," could breed popular disdain. "Man, Billy had to play D'Arcy's bass lines? She's just like Craig at the office. I hate Craig. I hate this band now."
― We Got Hasheem (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
xp I don't agree, I find their story to be very romantic and almost regal. abused, misunderstood boy escapes the suburbs to make transcendent, spiritual, and extraordinarily evocative rock music thru unwavering dedication, gumption, force of will, and ballsiness. he finds three bandmates who's sensibilities add up to something greater than billy alone could ever be, the friction and edginess of those personalities together made the band what it was. chamberlin was a hard partier but he was and still is one of the best rock drummers in the world. watch any live show from 92-96 and tell me james and d'arcy don't hold their own even against billy's guitar histrionics. so they come close to breaking up after SD - they keep it together long enough to make what amounts to a final statement and epitaph, Mellon Collie. it's their biggest hit yet, and eight months into a huge worldwide arena tour, they implode, jimmy's fired, touring keyboardist dies, they keep on but the last four years of the band, 96-2000, are a sustained death march into oblivion as billy becomes totally disenchanted by being in a fractured, non-existent band. they went from being a dysfunctional family to not communicating as anything but business partners. Adore and Machina are funereal, elegies to billy's mom, the band, and the sadness of hope lost and what almost was. it's a beautiful story to me from beginning to end.
xxp and i'm not saying i agree that billy was wrong to leave james' songs off the records, but it was certainly a cause of resentment from james
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
maybe it's his voice then
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
People hates Corgan because he was pretty arrogant and outspoken about shit. After the band's popularity started to wane, he seemed to become ... Even more curmudeonly.
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
That interview he did with Q Magazine circa MACHINA/The Machines Of God which resulted in Sharon Osbourne calling Billy "a baldy twat in a dress" springs to mind.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 6 December 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
Typed up here:
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=6225
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 6 December 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
interviewer also sounds a bit dickish - "nice skirt" is not a very warm introduction
― We Got Hasheem (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 December 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
interviewer just asked a bunch of celebrity culture bullshit, when clearly Billy wanted to talk about the music. Interviewer didn't get the hint.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 7 December 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
agreed. you gotta talk some astrology with billy before you sprinkle in the celebrity stuff.
― We Got Hasheem (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 7 December 2012 01:44 (eleven years ago) link
My MCIS box showed up in today's mail, this thing is gorgeous.
― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link
apparently the mastering job on the vinyl reissue is shoddy, particularly on 'zero.' I do not know this from my own experience, however.
― toy_sleigher (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
i have it, zero is a tad overcooked but otherwise the set sounds phenomenal
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 06:34 (eleven years ago) link
Brutal experience that really tainted my opinion on the band. The gig itself is the stuff of legend on account of how bad it was. Throughout the years I’ve met several others who were there that night and they’ve all felt the same.
Had forgotten the awfulness of this gig. The encore was a a noise-fest painful in its total shiteness.
― stet, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
this is where someone says we're now as far from "1979" as "1979" was from 1979.
― slugbuggy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
Who is the “BT” credited on a few of the outtakes and rarities, e.g. Cherry (BT 2012 mix)? Google hasn’t been helpful.
― Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 2 February 2013 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
Billy Torgan. No, it's Bjorn Thorsrud, who was an engineer they worked with a bunch.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorn_Thorsrud
I wish I could afford this reissue.
― Walter Galt, Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
Bjorn Thorsgud?
― Raymond Cummings, Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
despite all my rage i am still just a rat in aCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
fuiud
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 March 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
question: is this album Billy C's interpretation of the "the heart music, Echo and the Bunnymen," or is it a two-disc concept album composed in furious response to Kim Thayil? Or should we assume the latter is the "Iscariot" in Pisces Iscariot?
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 March 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
Adore is the Echo & the Bunnymen album obv.
― Heyman (crüt), Monday, 18 March 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that's what's funny - that so clearly lives up to that mission, but it's delayed by one album, as if Billy suddenly had 40+ tracks of non-heart-music that he had to get off his chest.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 March 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Mellon Collie is a good album and some of the band's finest moments are on there, but like with every long album there can be some filler in places.
I much prefer Siamese Dream, which is one of my favourite albums of all time. Hell, I think I prefer Gish to Mellon Collie.
Still, Bullet With Butterfly Wings, Tonight Tonight, 1979, Jellybelly, Zero, XYU, Here Is No Why, Thru The Eyes Of Ruby, Where Boys Fear To Tread, Cupid De Locke and Love are wonderful.
― Slash N Burn, Monday, 18 March 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, and We Only Come Out At Night.