oh come on, i can be right some of the time
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
apparently!
― some dude, Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
Obviously, it's hard to have the right opinions on subjective things 100% of the time.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
I can't understand how the dysfunctional relationships between band members, or really any of what you cite beyond "Billy Corgan as a person," could breed popular disdain. "Man, Billy had to play D'Arcy's bass lines? She's just like Craig at the office. I hate Craig. I hate this band now."
― We Got Hasheem (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
xp I don't agree, I find their story to be very romantic and almost regal. abused, misunderstood boy escapes the suburbs to make transcendent, spiritual, and extraordinarily evocative rock music thru unwavering dedication, gumption, force of will, and ballsiness. he finds three bandmates who's sensibilities add up to something greater than billy alone could ever be, the friction and edginess of those personalities together made the band what it was. chamberlin was a hard partier but he was and still is one of the best rock drummers in the world. watch any live show from 92-96 and tell me james and d'arcy don't hold their own even against billy's guitar histrionics. so they come close to breaking up after SD - they keep it together long enough to make what amounts to a final statement and epitaph, Mellon Collie. it's their biggest hit yet, and eight months into a huge worldwide arena tour, they implode, jimmy's fired, touring keyboardist dies, they keep on but the last four years of the band, 96-2000, are a sustained death march into oblivion as billy becomes totally disenchanted by being in a fractured, non-existent band. they went from being a dysfunctional family to not communicating as anything but business partners. Adore and Machina are funereal, elegies to billy's mom, the band, and the sadness of hope lost and what almost was. it's a beautiful story to me from beginning to end.
xxp and i'm not saying i agree that billy was wrong to leave james' songs off the records, but it was certainly a cause of resentment from james
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
maybe it's his voice then
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
People hates Corgan because he was pretty arrogant and outspoken about shit. After the band's popularity started to wane, he seemed to become ... Even more curmudeonly.
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 6 December 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
That interview he did with Q Magazine circa MACHINA/The Machines Of God which resulted in Sharon Osbourne calling Billy "a baldy twat in a dress" springs to mind.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 6 December 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
Typed up here:
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=6225
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 6 December 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
interviewer also sounds a bit dickish - "nice skirt" is not a very warm introduction
― We Got Hasheem (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 December 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
interviewer just asked a bunch of celebrity culture bullshit, when clearly Billy wanted to talk about the music. Interviewer didn't get the hint.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 7 December 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
agreed. you gotta talk some astrology with billy before you sprinkle in the celebrity stuff.
― We Got Hasheem (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 7 December 2012 01:44 (eleven years ago) link
My MCIS box showed up in today's mail, this thing is gorgeous.
― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link
apparently the mastering job on the vinyl reissue is shoddy, particularly on 'zero.' I do not know this from my own experience, however.
― toy_sleigher (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
i have it, zero is a tad overcooked but otherwise the set sounds phenomenal
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 12 December 2012 06:34 (eleven years ago) link
Brutal experience that really tainted my opinion on the band. The gig itself is the stuff of legend on account of how bad it was. Throughout the years I’ve met several others who were there that night and they’ve all felt the same.
Had forgotten the awfulness of this gig. The encore was a a noise-fest painful in its total shiteness.
― stet, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
this is where someone says we're now as far from "1979" as "1979" was from 1979.
― slugbuggy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
Who is the “BT” credited on a few of the outtakes and rarities, e.g. Cherry (BT 2012 mix)? Google hasn’t been helpful.
― Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 2 February 2013 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
Billy Torgan. No, it's Bjorn Thorsrud, who was an engineer they worked with a bunch.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorn_Thorsrud
I wish I could afford this reissue.
― Walter Galt, Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
Bjorn Thorsgud?
― Raymond Cummings, Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
despite all my rage i am still just a rat in aCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
fuiud
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 March 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
question: is this album Billy C's interpretation of the "the heart music, Echo and the Bunnymen," or is it a two-disc concept album composed in furious response to Kim Thayil? Or should we assume the latter is the "Iscariot" in Pisces Iscariot?
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 March 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
Adore is the Echo & the Bunnymen album obv.
― Heyman (crüt), Monday, 18 March 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that's what's funny - that so clearly lives up to that mission, but it's delayed by one album, as if Billy suddenly had 40+ tracks of non-heart-music that he had to get off his chest.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 March 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Mellon Collie is a good album and some of the band's finest moments are on there, but like with every long album there can be some filler in places.
I much prefer Siamese Dream, which is one of my favourite albums of all time. Hell, I think I prefer Gish to Mellon Collie.
Still, Bullet With Butterfly Wings, Tonight Tonight, 1979, Jellybelly, Zero, XYU, Here Is No Why, Thru The Eyes Of Ruby, Where Boys Fear To Tread, Cupid De Locke and Love are wonderful.
― Slash N Burn, Monday, 18 March 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, and We Only Come Out At Night.
https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1185689_10151895694472328_1380969732_n.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 12 September 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
<3
― Roz, Thursday, 12 September 2013 17:15 (ten years ago) link
“You are trying to use your intuition to guide you through this interview but, if I may say, it’s not guiding you very well. You’re not listening to what I’m saying. You are trying to look into my eyes to see my soul.” He sighs. “Well let me tell you, you won’t find it.”http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=6225
Yeah this interview is hilarious.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 September 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
“Go ahead and ask me any thing you want,” he says, “but you won’t get it. I know what you’re after: the story behind the story. Which is a shame. Everyone has lost sight of the real story, which is the music itself. It’s like a train - music is the engine, but other people appear more interested in the other carriages.”
LOL
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 September 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
NEW MELLON COLLIE C-SIDE!! WOW!!! FUCK. full length "In the Arms of Sheep," featured for like 3 seconds in the pastichio medleycould there be more leaks???????sooon??????
https://vimeo.com/98218010
good song, has melody that ended up in "The Last Song."
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 7 July 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link
Can't believe nearly eight years have gone by since I started this thread. Presumably the influence on the young bands of today has to be happening by now, right? Right?
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 July 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
i don't know about artists, but this album has influenced me to not listen to people who say that the smashing pumpkins aren't a good band. a narrow influence, to be sure, but still.
― Treeship, Monday, 7 July 2014 21:42 (nine years ago) link
absolutely. mcis never gets old, and it's easily the best and most accomplished thing they did. the white album of the 90s
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 7 July 2014 21:46 (nine years ago) link
I for one love this album... as said upthread many years ago, one of the few double albums to justify its length. There's only like 2 or 3 clunkers on each disc; still a solid 20 or so songs.
I especially love the lullaby-esque denouement of the final side... We Only Come Out at Night, Beautiful, Lily, By Starlight, Farewell & Goodnight (intentionally or not, always reminds me of "Good Night" on the White Album).
― LimbsKing, Monday, 7 July 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link
always happy to be reminded that i will likely never hear this band again if i make wise choices. it's similar to remembering that i have some control over the events that might lead to me wanting or needing to induce vomiting.
― mattresslessness, Monday, 7 July 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
btw they will pretty obviously become the Kansas or Styx of future Classic Rock, which is probably exactly what Billy Corgan always wanted.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 July 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
did they ever cover "Take It On The Run" live?
― guwop (crüt), Monday, 7 July 2014 22:00 (nine years ago) link
more like Boston or Queen imo. Kansas and Styx is like....silverchair or something
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 7 July 2014 22:39 (nine years ago) link
RHCP is Queen, Lemonheads are Boston
― brimstead, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
I almost threw Boston in there. I feel like the Pumpkins' proggy "art" aspirations take them a little bit towards Styx territory, but clearly Billy had truck with Scholz's guitar landscapes and Delp's yearning dreaminess.
RHCP is Lynyrd Skynyrd but only because I really hesitate to make them the Eagles. Reliable good times, delivered on the road as needed - but not to the exclusion of heartfelt sensitive ballads.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 July 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link
really though i'm pretty sure billy was big fans of boston queen kansas AND styx!
― brimstead, Monday, 7 July 2014 23:03 (nine years ago) link
which one the pumpkins best correlate with 90s wise hmmmmm idk
― brimstead, Monday, 7 July 2014 23:05 (nine years ago) link
ELO
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 7 July 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link
Led Zep = Pearl JamStones = RHCPBeatles = NirvanaSpringsteen = Green DayPumpkins = Eagles
in terms of size/number of hits, not drawing any deep parallels or anything
― some dude, Monday, 7 July 2014 23:32 (nine years ago) link
the smashing pumpkins are not the eagles. fleetwood mac
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 02:59 (nine years ago) link
i think SP is more like Led Zeppelin in terms of deep parallels.
― Poliopolice, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 03:33 (nine years ago) link
yes
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 04:24 (nine years ago) link
Cant hack Corgan but one of my favorite things about this band is the guitar tones....in terms of influence that has to be a 'thing'
― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link
Still a fantastic (and in light of their earlier catalogue) underrated album. Almost certainly my favourite - just the right balance of pomp and rawk. OK Computer two years before the fact and twice as long.
― 3kDk (dog latin), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link