Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

I have no idea if he's a racist or not - but he did the smart thing in getting out of England. It's a shithole full of angry, repressed, frustrated, alcoholic, ill-educated people crammed on to part of a tiny island. Give me the US, Australia, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, or Scotland any day

Fair comment, after all not many Scots are angry, repressed and alcoholic.

It's Norway, a "polse".

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Swedish fast food = rancid meatballs

Sweden has the world's only immigrant sports team that's ascended to professional playing level, so kudos to them there.

ILX need 1x Geir recipe thread.

"White Pudding"

"Crackers"

Sweden has the world's only immigrant sports team that's ascended to professional playing level

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Haha, OK, fair enough.

But then again, weren't 70% of Italian football teams set up, and originally consisting nearly entirely of, English workers?

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"You sayin' I huv not always, eh, acquitted myself in the manner accustomed of a professional athlete, if you will? Outside ya jakey."

Actually no, because the Irish weren't technically immigrants in 1875 or 1888

And yes, British immigrants/ ex-pats set up football teams all over the world

I love how a thread on whether Morrissey is a racist can run the whole gamut of national abuse, including a spot of French-bashing, English-bashing, having a go at Scandinavian food, and topped off with someone opining that "Americans, Australians, and Brazilians are all awful people"!

i don't think all of the french football players are immigrants. like their colonies were formally part of france or something.

Be fair, there's been love shown for Norwegian food and Syrian immigrant football teams

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and White Pudding.

I'm pretty sure the entire French national team was born after the African reclamations of the early 60s, Quitney.

You can't beat how Australian "soccer" got rid of all the ethnic teams (basically supported by Italians, Greeks and Serbs) and replaced them with generic teams (basically supported by ex-pat poms).

Another reason why La Moz should move here.

Also, I had a hot dog last time I saw Adelaide United play. Hmmmm.

French football players aren't immigrants because they were all born and brought up in France (probably, couldn't be arsed to check). Their parents/grandparents were the immigrants.

and topped off with someone opining that "Americans, Australians, and Brazilians are all awful people"!

Who said that?

Patrick Donalé Vieira (born June 23, 1976 in Dakar, Senegal)
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and that other guy.

French football players aren't immigrants because they were all born and brought up in France (probably, couldn't be arsed to check).

Wrong. Very wrong.

Claude Makélélé (born February 18, 1973 in Kinshasa, Zaire)
Patrick Donalé Vieira (born June 23, 1976 in Dakar, Senegal)
Patrice Evra (born 15 May 1981 in Dakar, Senegal)

Ok ok ok, I bow to your superior knowledge!

Senegal is getting diddled here, isn't it?

Marcel Desailly (born September 7, 1968 in Accra, Ghana)

Thuram, Guadeloupe. Malouda, French Guiana. Etc etc etc.

i was gonna say faye but he actually plays for senegal.

Makelele, Viera... Dioufy, it would be magnificent.

Jean-Alain Boumsong (born November 14, 1979, in Douala, Cameroon)
Lilian Thuram (born Ruddy Lilian Thuram-Ulien, January 1, 1972 in Pointe-à-Pitre, Guadeloupe
Pascal Chimbonda (born 21 February 1979 in Les Abymes, Guadeloupe)

Franck Ribery (born March 13, 1831 in Notre Dame, Paris)

Ha ha

Thuram, Guadeloupe. Malouda, French Guiana. Etc etc etc.

Guadeloupe and French Guiana are both French departments. But OK, I was very very wrong on the "born in France" thing. Less wrong on the "brought up in France" aspect though I think. They're culturally more French than Senegalese or whatever. When you hear them speak, they speak with a French accent and not with an African one.

And where did anyone say "Americans, Australians, and Brazilians are all awful people"?

I'm aware that Guadeloupe is a department. It's a long fucking drive from Biarritz tho.

I have no idea if he's a racist or not - but he did the smart thing in getting out of England. It's a shithole full of angry, repressed, frustrated, alcoholic, ill-educated people crammed on to part of a tiny island. Give me the US, Australia, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, or Scotland any day.
And where did anyone say "Americans, Australians, and Brazilians are all awful people"?

-- Emily S., Thursday, 29 November 2007 00:54 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^this is true except Americans, Australians, and Brazilians are all awful people

-- Dom Passantino, jeudi 29 novembre 2007 02:05 (11 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Woops, that came out wrong.

Guadeloupe and French Guiana are both French departments.

this nonsense started with you responding to a post i made that said this.

Ah! I'm not paying attention! (xxp)

Yeah, but he went to France to post that.

xxxxxpost ah forget it.

Ban Zelda Zonk and Raymond Domenech

I'm aware that Guadeloupe is a department. It's a long fucking drive from Biarritz tho.

Guadeloupians do tend to take offense when people consider them non-French though!

Anyway football is hardly a subject I know much about, even less so French football, so I hereby withdraw whatever inane comments about it I've made on this thread.

Anyway football immigration is hardly a subject I know much about, even less so French football English immigration, so I hereby withdraw whatever inane comments about it I've made on this thread NME interview.

-- Zelda Zonk Morrissey, Thursday, 29 November 2007 12:24 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

In my country, immigrants are diluting our culture. For the better.

Please pass judgement on me asap, kthx.

-- King Boy Pato, Thursday, 29 November 2007 10:43 (2 hours ago)

OTM, and the crux.

Oh, I wasn't really making a serious point about what the NME says Morrissey said.

I was only speaking the truth, bruv.

It's a better publicity stunt than trying to get the Sex Pistols to number one.

Oh, I wasn't really making a serious point about what the NME says Morrissey said.

I was only speaking the truth, bruv.

-- King Boy Pato, Thursday, 29 November 2007 13:11 (16 minutes ago)

The interview basically says the same thing though. People pick on 'dilution of a culture that Moz identifies with' as if Morrissey's saying 'this shouldn't be allowed to happen'.

Some of the best things about living in England are associated with the social change, and the cultural syntheses that occur due to this.