Via Danyel Smith/Andy Kellman:
http://madamenoire.com/247266/arbitron-sale-to-nielsen-could-be-good-news-for-urban-radio/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2012 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
Songs with most weeks at number one on Billboard's R&B chart:
18. "Choo Choo Ch'Boogie - Louis Jordan15. "Be Without You" - Mary J. Blige14. "Nobody's Supposed to Be Here" - Deborah Cox14. "We Belong Together" - Mariah Carey14. "Blame It" - Jamie Foxx Feat. T-Pain14. "Pretty Wings" - Maxwell13. "Can't Be Friends" - Trey Songz12. "Diamonds " - Rihanna12. "Un-Thinkable (I'm Ready)" - Alicia Keys12. "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" - Beyoncé11. "Climax" - Usher
if the chart hadn't been changed in October, Miguel's "Adorn" would be on its 16th week at #1 (as it stands it only had 4 weeks). I'm pretty sure Rihanna will be dethroned in the next week or two...by Macklemore.
― PliesStripAThon5Jan20th@gmail.com (some dude), Sunday, 30 December 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
...........
― teledyldonix, Sunday, 30 December 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
I know this should have its own thread but man these changes have turned the rock chart into a dire melange of Of Lumineers And Mumfords
― maura, Sunday, 30 December 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
xp are you trying to imply this guy isn't keeping the block hot?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wdNofQxrfrk/UEAcCPiLXnI/AAAAAAAAC5w/qg00qrcI9Ho/s1600/Macklemore.jpg
― Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Sunday, 30 December 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
I just listened to Macklemore & Ryan Lewis for the first time. Why did I think that was a good idea?
― Sri Harold Klemp (crüt), Sunday, 30 December 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
tbf the rock airplay charts are also a dire melange of Lumumfordeers, it's the Ed Sheerans and Phillip Phillipses that the download-dominated charts are bringing in
― PliesStripAThon5Jan20th@gmail.com (some dude), Sunday, 30 December 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
what the fuck is a lumineers anyway
― Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Sunday, 30 December 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
The light that illumines the path for hipsterati
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 December 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
the whole "guitars are back on the charts! but only acoustic ones" thing is pretty surreal
― PliesStripAThon5Jan20th@gmail.com (some dude), Sunday, 30 December 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
I Like Lumineers and Mumfords
― sleepingbag, Sunday, 30 December 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
fuck yes time to get paid
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 31 December 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
dude if you think you could troll the world by writing the next "Ho Hey" Top 40 folk pop blockbuster you should really go for it
― PliesStripAThon5Jan20th@gmail.com (some dude), Monday, 31 December 2012 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
TROLL BITCHES, GET MONEY
― Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Monday, 31 December 2012 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
I'd be much more willing to give it a shot now than I would have been before there were baby clothes to buy but I'm long in the tooth. Gotta get me some Rob n Fab gone rustic stand-ins for my big-dollars Mumford heel turn
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 31 December 2012 02:43 (eleven years ago) link
For real dogg if you sold that song abt the cubs to the right set of dickheads in hobo hats you could make bank
pull a semisonic
― Andrew WKRP (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 December 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
has "thrift shop" entered the r&b/hip-hop airplay chart? the billboard website seems to suggest not. it would be kind of funny/sad if it topped the overall chart w/o reaching the airplay chart at all
― teledyldonix, Friday, 4 January 2013 07:03 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, only airplay charts it's been on are rock, alternative and pop
it's funny because "Gangnam Style" is STILL at the top of the Rap Songs chart, but for some reason that was never allowed on the R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, where "Thrift Shop" is despite having pretty similar airplay demographics. the top 3 on Rap Songs is all stuff that has zero urban radio airplay (PSY/Macklemore/Flo Rida).
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 12:22 (eleven years ago) link
how do we know psy has no urban radio airplay? like what's the go-to reference on that?
― s.clover, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
for me it's just anecdata in two major cities (philly and nyc)
― 乒乓, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
I have not heard him on DC urban radio (some dude listens more to DC and Baltimore radio than I do; he could give a more full response I bet)
― curmudgeon, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think I've even heard any of the DJs or radio personalities even mention him or the fad
― 乒乓, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
maybe gangnam style will appear in a kanye verse on a remix 5 years from now, tho
― 乒乓, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
the slowed-down olsen twins reference already feels 5 years old, i'd give him maybe two months
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
I mostly listen to urban radio these days, so I didn't know about the song until months after the masses (I had to YouTube it after reading that it was a defining song of 2012). That song is so far removed from rap radio interests that I'd be surprised if any rap station anywhere in the country ever played it even once.
― Evan R, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
have you heard the diamonds remix?
― 乒乓, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
Seattle's pop-ass Flo Rida-playing, Macklemore-playing rap station hasn't even touched Gangnam Style
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
#1 rap song in the country folx
― 乒乓, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
I am sure Bill Werde at Billboard will continue to defend this (and sound annoyed in his tweets that anyone would ever question anything Billboard does)
― curmudgeon, Friday, 4 January 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that guy is the worst on twitter
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know about the specific data in psy's case b/c i rarely look at radio numbers, but if you are wondering about that kinda thing, a lot of ppl look at mediabase data to get numbers for what certain formats are playing. for example here and here are some recent data on what mainstream/rhythmic radio and urban/urban adult contemporary radio are playing (and music video plays on tv, which are hilariously low)
― teledyldonix, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i wasn't saying no urban station has ever played "Gangnam Style" once. but it never got enough spins to chart on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay, so whatever play it got was negligible (relative to tons of spins on pop radio).
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
ok so macklemore is #1 now (w/ zero entries ever on the r&b/hip-hop airplay chart) and probably will be for the next 10+ weeks since that is the pace the pop charts are going now. at what point is an actual r&b/hip-hop radio hit going to top this chart? never?
― teledyldonix, Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
Well yeah. That would be bad for business if that happened.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
when Drake drops his lead single is prob the correct answer
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
only songs that were in the top 20 of both Pop Songs and Hip-Hop/R&B Airplay at any point in 2012: J. Cole's "Work Out," T-Pain's "5 O'Clock" and Rihanna's "Diamonds"
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
artists that were in the top 20 of both charts but never with the same song: Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Usher, Chris Brown, Drake, Wiz Khalifa, Big Sean, Ne-Yo)
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
2 thoughts:
1. I don't understand the point of this thread, but I hate seeing the term "black music" used in place of "industry manufactured pop music"
2. I would not worry about the marginalization of black audiences. All of the black people I know (all over 30 years old) seem to have no problems finding all the music that they need, none of which seems to be Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Kanye West, Lil Wayne, Drake, Rick Ross, Wiz Khalifa, 2 Chainz, Ne-Yo, or Chris Brown.
I apologize if I am way off the make. I respect the fact that so many here care about music and culture, and I tried to understand the point of the thread. There just seems to be some stereotyping going on here.
― nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 19 January 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
Regarding item 2, the point was/is that Billboard was not giving respect to widely popular black music. Your reference to people you know not having problems finding the music they need is not analogous.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 20 January 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
what do you mean by "widely popular black music?"
a. widely popular music performed/produced by black artistsb. a style/genre called "black music" that is widely popularc. music that is widely popular among black audiences
― nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:22 (eleven years ago) link
what are you trying to accomplish, nicky lo-fi?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
learn something, maybe. why do you assume agenda?
― nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
just weird to see someone think that their sample of 'black people over the age of 30 who I personally know' is representative of black audiences of all ages all across America, is all.
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
sorry, I in no way meant to imply that anything is "representative" of anything. I only brought up age because maybe it's a youth culture thing, of which I'm pretty ignorant.
I was wondering how Billboard was marginalizing black audiences (from the title of the thread)
I don't know anyone, of any race, who is so influenced by Billboard charts as far as their taste is concerned.
maybe it is. I don't know. can you explain?
― nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
nicky lo-fi, are you a rockist?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
nicky lo-fi, do you recognize that the songs that are popular on billboard at this very moment may, perhaps, could, maybe, influence the songs that are produced in the future, songs that aim to be liked by a large number of people?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
do you recognize that there exists a collection of songs at any given moment that may be broadly categorized under the term "popular music"?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:57 (eleven years ago) link
x-post- if you're just saying that it would be better to say "rap and r'n'b" than "black music" when referring to the genres that Billboard and this thread are referring to just say it. Your "industry manufactured pop music" term suggests an agenda and is also unclear.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
nicky lo-fi, do you think that music only means anything if it was produced by something other than an 'industry' that 'manufactures pop music'?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 03:00 (eleven years ago) link
nicky lo-fi, do you think that pitchfork is an 'industry'?