i do wonder if the slow-burn success of 'adorn' will result in KD selling more than that dreadful weeknd triple-header
― maura, Monday, 24 December 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link
indie fans always complained about the wrong indie being over-venerated in the press. now r&b fans get to do the same. progress!
This is one of the more OTM things in the thread.
― Matt DC, Monday, 24 December 2012 13:15 (eleven years ago) link
Didn't realise music was about winning and losing.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Monday, 24 December 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
^
― crüt, Monday, 24 December 2012 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah it's not but p much everything lex writes has a sort of victim complex about pop suffering under the shackles of the critical establishment that prefers classic rock & indie, so shit like weeknd or I guess the ”wrong” ppl liking Miguel even ppl who - gasp - like mumford & sons is a betrayal
― Andrew WKRP (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 December 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
No
― Moka, Monday, 24 December 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
― maura, Monday, December 24, 2012 5:13 AM Bookmark
KD has more total sales at this point, but then it's been out longer, too.
― Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Monday, 24 December 2012 23:35 (eleven years ago) link
who the fuck even listens to the weeknd?
― Jamie_ATP, Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i do and think 'house of balloons' is a classic. the backlash on weeknd has been massive
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 06:19 (eleven years ago) link
ha speaking of Stereogum here's ONE MORE THINKPIECE YAY
http://stereogum.com/1225571/2012-in-review-the-new-wave-of-rb-comes-into-full-bloom/top-stories/
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
can someone please come round and physically stop me clicking on that
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
blog-powered underground
― buzza, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
p much everything lex writes has a sort of victim complex about pop suffering under the shackles of the critical establishment that prefers classic rock & indie
otm, it's been what 8 years or something you've been writing/posting with this tone, please evolve
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
lol you don't even read half the stuff i write! stop being so presumptuous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxkgvvJiLqs
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
So long as we're talking "truth" about Lex on Christmas I'd like to say that I approve of Lex's victim complex and find it endlessly entertaining and am always agreeing with his outlook whenever I read an English music magazine
― capital in ruins, thousands dead (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
<3
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
i agree with lex's outlook more often than not! that's why it pains me when he couches it in callow rhetorical devices.
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
Have yourself a joyous twelvetide, Lex. You're still in the top tier of posters imo.
― when worlds coincide (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 25, 2012 1:25 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark
dying
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 December 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
a weird thing about all these pieces is that THEEsatisfaction never get mentioned despite being one of the better "indie r&b acts" AND being on sub pop
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 December 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
Speaking as someone who came v v late to the DDM/Dawn Richard proceedings, but loves Armor On, is there really no chance that all this R&B cred will lead to Goldenheart becoming a major 2013 buzz album?
― when worlds coincide (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
that stereogum thing isn't the worst piece i've ever read but it also starts from a base thesis (r&b is finally good!) that's totally weighs it down
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 December 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
Good line about Kaleidoscope Dream: It’s not a feel-good album so much as an album about feeling as good as possible at all times, and to its infinite credit, it never fails to make me feel incredible.
Bad line:
last year’s pleasantly pedestrian “Sure Thing"
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
also "genre cocktail" or w/e he said
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 December 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
Has anyone written a piece in which the writer, thanks to Miguel-Ocean-Weeknd or whatever, has gone back to older R&B and finally heard what he'd ignored? A much better essay than "Holy shit R&B is suddenly hot."
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
no
redressing sins vs writing generalizations
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
How much older rnb was written expressly for a demographic of emotionally estranged post-Internet ppl tho
― sleepingbag, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like a lot of people are really into romanticising that whole ~emotionally estranged post-internet feelings~ self-archetype and it makes me roll my eyes every time
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
i mean any sort of romanticising some archetype you see yourself as is par for the course when you're a teenager but people over the age of 22, c'mon
Pointer Sisters xpost
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
lex i <3 you to pieces but this is very true of you. I can't say "pretty much everything you write," but your deal is very much a Pop Strikes Back!! deal imo. All genres go through a phase of this imo but you seem p attached to it, into describing the music you're into in terms of what it's "up against" etc.
It does sort of make me happy that pop sort of ”won” in the respect that everything is now pop in a way, but this victory is making popists act like old school indie grumps
fucking killer post imo
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
not the part about pop winning obv. Sunset Strip metal should still be huge THANKS PEARL JAM.
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
i've been reading people belittle/marginalize/condescend to/laugh at almost everything i have ever loved in music for decades. since the 70's! fuck everybody, in my opinion.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
lord save me from people who read 2-3 articles i write in a year and on that basis profess to know what my deal is
i have some people accusing me of being secretly rockist because i make the outrageous assertion that PR strategies have an effect on artists' success, or because i'm not interested in covering shit just cuz it's ~on trend~and on the other hand i have people apparently stuck in some sort of 2004 timewarp where they think i'm a shrieking pop harpy
alla y'all need to get out my face tbh and recognise that
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
shipz, aerosmith: you really need to go back and actually READ MOST OF WHAT I WRITE before you can say sweeping or dismissive shit about my work. i highly doubt either of you actually do that, so until you do GTFO
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think there's anything wrong w/ lex's tone and reverse-rockism is weird considering that rockism is still very much alive as evidenced by the entire discussion of r&b in the first place!
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
lex I have been posting on the same board as you for a long time. nobody's being "dismissive," a coupla people are telling you how you come off in their opinion. you can be childish and say "OH BULLSHIT READ MY ENTIRE CORPUS YOU DOLTS" or you can say "hmm, really, that's interesting, why would people who don't know me personally think I come off that way" it doesn't really matter I guess but "pop, the beleaguered genre, under assault from the evil forces of indie!" does seem like yr stance a lot of the time
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:45 (eleven years ago) link
indie is hardly rock, surely?
― crüt, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
indie's just low-stakes-and-production values rock I think and certainly in the press I think they're essentially big-fish-smaller-fish-same-pond
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
otm
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
Lex you are pseudo-rockist though, given you believe some music is objectively better than other music. I don't think that's an accusation or slur though - surely you're fairly proud of that??
― Tim F, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:54 (eleven years ago) link
"pop, the beleaguered genre, under assault from the evil forces of indie!" does seem like yr stance a lot of the time
reducing my work to this isn't dismissive? it's pretty obvious you're heavily invested in not taking me seriously, which is fine, i'm not mad, but when you're flat-out inaccurate imma correct you. lol @ the idea that you can profess to know what my "deal" is better than me.
hmm, really, that's interesting, why would people who don't know me personally think I come off that way
because they don't actually know me and don't think troubling to find out anything more than how i posted in 2004 is necessary to make sweeping claims about me.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:54 (eleven years ago) link
lex is so fascinating
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:55 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know if i believe that! sometimes i do! i don't actually care. i don't ~believe~ anything, i don't have a fucking manifesto written out or anything
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
No it's not a manifesto, more just how people relate to the world. And people's attitudes to music will tend to imply some basic assumptions whether or not they've been codified.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:58 (eleven years ago) link
if ppl could stop making BASIC assumptions about how i relate to the world that would be appreciated
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
That's basically one of the things that makes writers interesting... Would an audience follow a writer whose tastes have no through line? Maybe but it seems unlikely to me.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
lex i get a haughty 'stop generalizing about what i write/cover, you haven't seen 99% of it' feeling whenever people try to box me in so i sympathize, but i read yr shit and yeah the extent to which we were stereotyping your work was exaggerated, sorry. but i also don't tell people they need to read more of what i write before they talk about it because it just feels terrible to outright tell people that a) they need to read EVERYTHING i write and b) they can't say anything about me until they have.
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:02 (eleven years ago) link
I mean I assume you make basic assumptions about how I relate to the world (music wise) but maybe I'm mistaken?
― Tim F, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:03 (eleven years ago) link
anyway happy holidays i wish i could give you all big sloppy hipster kisses, god bless all us crazy fucks still talking about this shit on xmas, i'm gonna go put the kid to bed and drink some eggnog peace
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:04 (eleven years ago) link