I have not heard him on DC urban radio (some dude listens more to DC and Baltimore radio than I do; he could give a more full response I bet)
― curmudgeon, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think I've even heard any of the DJs or radio personalities even mention him or the fad
― 乒乓, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
maybe gangnam style will appear in a kanye verse on a remix 5 years from now, tho
― 乒乓, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
the slowed-down olsen twins reference already feels 5 years old, i'd give him maybe two months
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 January 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
I mostly listen to urban radio these days, so I didn't know about the song until months after the masses (I had to YouTube it after reading that it was a defining song of 2012). That song is so far removed from rap radio interests that I'd be surprised if any rap station anywhere in the country ever played it even once.
― Evan R, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
have you heard the diamonds remix?
― 乒乓, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
Seattle's pop-ass Flo Rida-playing, Macklemore-playing rap station hasn't even touched Gangnam Style
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
#1 rap song in the country folx
― 乒乓, Friday, 4 January 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
I am sure Bill Werde at Billboard will continue to defend this (and sound annoyed in his tweets that anyone would ever question anything Billboard does)
― curmudgeon, Friday, 4 January 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that guy is the worst on twitter
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
how do we know psy has no urban radio airplay? like what's the go-to reference on that?
i don't know about the specific data in psy's case b/c i rarely look at radio numbers, but if you are wondering about that kinda thing, a lot of ppl look at mediabase data to get numbers for what certain formats are playing. for example here and here are some recent data on what mainstream/rhythmic radio and urban/urban adult contemporary radio are playing (and music video plays on tv, which are hilariously low)
― teledyldonix, Friday, 4 January 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i wasn't saying no urban station has ever played "Gangnam Style" once. but it never got enough spins to chart on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay, so whatever play it got was negligible (relative to tons of spins on pop radio).
― some dude, Friday, 4 January 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
ok so macklemore is #1 now (w/ zero entries ever on the r&b/hip-hop airplay chart) and probably will be for the next 10+ weeks since that is the pace the pop charts are going now. at what point is an actual r&b/hip-hop radio hit going to top this chart? never?
― teledyldonix, Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
Well yeah. That would be bad for business if that happened.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
when Drake drops his lead single is prob the correct answer
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
only songs that were in the top 20 of both Pop Songs and Hip-Hop/R&B Airplay at any point in 2012: J. Cole's "Work Out," T-Pain's "5 O'Clock" and Rihanna's "Diamonds"
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
artists that were in the top 20 of both charts but never with the same song: Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Usher, Chris Brown, Drake, Wiz Khalifa, Big Sean, Ne-Yo)
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
2 thoughts:
1. I don't understand the point of this thread, but I hate seeing the term "black music" used in place of "industry manufactured pop music"
2. I would not worry about the marginalization of black audiences. All of the black people I know (all over 30 years old) seem to have no problems finding all the music that they need, none of which seems to be Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Kanye West, Lil Wayne, Drake, Rick Ross, Wiz Khalifa, 2 Chainz, Ne-Yo, or Chris Brown.
I apologize if I am way off the make. I respect the fact that so many here care about music and culture, and I tried to understand the point of the thread. There just seems to be some stereotyping going on here.
― nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 19 January 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
Regarding item 2, the point was/is that Billboard was not giving respect to widely popular black music. Your reference to people you know not having problems finding the music they need is not analogous.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 20 January 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
what do you mean by "widely popular black music?"
a. widely popular music performed/produced by black artistsb. a style/genre called "black music" that is widely popularc. music that is widely popular among black audiences
― nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:22 (eleven years ago) link
what are you trying to accomplish, nicky lo-fi?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
learn something, maybe. why do you assume agenda?
― nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
just weird to see someone think that their sample of 'black people over the age of 30 who I personally know' is representative of black audiences of all ages all across America, is all.
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
sorry, I in no way meant to imply that anything is "representative" of anything. I only brought up age because maybe it's a youth culture thing, of which I'm pretty ignorant.
I was wondering how Billboard was marginalizing black audiences (from the title of the thread)
I don't know anyone, of any race, who is so influenced by Billboard charts as far as their taste is concerned.
maybe it is. I don't know. can you explain?
― nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
nicky lo-fi, are you a rockist?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
nicky lo-fi, do you recognize that the songs that are popular on billboard at this very moment may, perhaps, could, maybe, influence the songs that are produced in the future, songs that aim to be liked by a large number of people?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
do you recognize that there exists a collection of songs at any given moment that may be broadly categorized under the term "popular music"?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:57 (eleven years ago) link
x-post- if you're just saying that it would be better to say "rap and r'n'b" than "black music" when referring to the genres that Billboard and this thread are referring to just say it. Your "industry manufactured pop music" term suggests an agenda and is also unclear.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
nicky lo-fi, do you think that music only means anything if it was produced by something other than an 'industry' that 'manufactures pop music'?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 03:00 (eleven years ago) link
nicky lo-fi, do you think that pitchfork is an 'industry'?
nicky lo-fi, what is your take on the following:
1. stereogum2. fluxblog3. gorilla v. bear4. billboard
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 03:01 (eleven years ago) link
haha this is getting rough
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Sunday, 20 January 2013 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
nicky lo-fi, do you believe that we live in a 'post-racial America'?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 20 January 2013 03:04 (eleven years ago) link
nicki lo-fi, can you tell that some of us are drunk on saturday night?
― President Keyes, Sunday, 20 January 2013 03:05 (eleven years ago) link
People questioning rap sound exactly the same as my grandmama questioning rock & roll. It's sort of cute.― nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Thursday, October 12, 2006
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 20 January 2013 03:05 (eleven years ago) link
so sticking up for rap means I'm not a rockiest, I guess? I hope fancy symbol dude caught that.
― nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 20 January 2013 03:12 (eleven years ago) link
nicky the issue, in a nutshell, is that Billboard has made a variety of changes in how it puts together its charts over the past several years to factor in downloads/streaming in addition to the traditional radio play, and the demographic differences in who buys music on iTunes vs. who listens to the radio, etc. has seemed to diminish the presence of hip-hop and R&B on singles charts far more than any decline in the general popularity of those genres. a lot of other issues and nuances have been covered in this thread, if I had started it I probably wouldn't have made the title as focused as Rev did or used the phrase "black music" but I totally get why he did.
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Sunday, 20 January 2013 03:44 (eleven years ago) link
Another way of putting it: radio stations whose audiences are overwhelmingly black now disappear statistically, and they appear on the record as if their audiences like the same music which is favored by white audiences on iTunes. In fact, they don't, but history will record the hegemonic music as being beloved by all, and future production and programming decisions will be based on this egregious distortuon.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 20 January 2013 06:04 (eleven years ago) link
I would just like to go on the record as being a racist. Thank you all.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 20 January 2013 06:28 (eleven years ago) link
you are a goon, after all.
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Sunday, 20 January 2013 12:03 (eleven years ago) link
alright, thanks, that part I was pretty close on. I guess I'm just such a cynic about about the music biz that I assume whatever they do is because they think it will make more money.
so that it will always be catering to people with money. an example of this goes back to the 'race' records of the 20's and 30's
great blues, jazz, and gospel music the industry thought would not sell to white people, so they marketed to blacks only
http://www.pbs.org/jazz/images/exchange/racerecords.jpg
when white people started to buy, they not only stopped that marketing to black people, but even influenced a change in the style of jazz (the rise of the white big bands)
― nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 20 January 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
You do realize this thread is intended to track pretty much the exact same phenomenon, though?
― The Reverend, Sunday, 20 January 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
is this the rolling macklemore thread
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 20 January 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
fancy cymbal dude
http://www.tbrucewittet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Zildjian-Gen-X-Cymbals.jpg
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 20 January 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
xp yes, no, Macklemore, "Same Love"
― The Reverend, Sunday, 20 January 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
who the hell is macklemore?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 20 January 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
hoo boy
― The Reverend, Sunday, 20 January 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
im in the uk.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 20 January 2013 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
A Macklemore is what we in the scientific community would describe as a cornball.
― tsrobodo, Sunday, 20 January 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
the best thing about bands like Mumfords and Macklemores is that their names just inherently sound like punchlines.
― katherine, Sunday, 20 January 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link