Rap beef is essentially a race to the bottom. You sling as much shit as you can and hope your opponent runs out of ammo/dignity before you do. Either way you generally come out of it covered in shit. Without an album to offset the attention all these petty spats could really come back to haunt Banks.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 7 January 2013 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
xpost. True. But 50 Cent had built big parts of his persona around the idea of him being the guy who destroyed other people's careers. When he failed so miserably with Ross and his album underperformed, he found himself with no leg to stand on.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 14:56 (eleven years ago) link
that's a pretty rosy reading of 50's career at that point, longneck
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 14:56 (eleven years ago) link
things just ain't the same for gangstas
― What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
they wear a lotta spandex
xpost. Ha, the 2007 album had some minor joints at least. And it did go platinum in the end, right? His era was definitely coming to an end at that point, but the double flop (beef + album) of 09 still felt brutal. At that point there was no coming back.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
Before I Self Destruct and Deeper Than Rap sold almost the exact same amount, j0rdan's right that it was more about perception and their trajectories at that time
― thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
anyway it's hilarious that major media outlets are reporting on these 2 barely famous chicks as if it were a beef between artists as big as 50 cent and rick ross
― thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
What careers did 50 destroy?!
If AZB is harmed at all it'll be because she KEEPS ON beefing with amyone and everyone, not this specific spat (though using "faggot" when your fanbase is so heavily gay is uhhhh extra dumb). But it'll be forgotten in a month as all these things are
― lex pretend, Monday, 7 January 2013 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
lex have you heard of this person ja rule
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
Which is exactly how they both benefit from it! It's reported as if it's a Big Deal. Helps that it all happened in the dead 1st week of Jan
― lex pretend, Monday, 7 January 2013 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
it is hilarious that this article exists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_feuds_of_50_Cent
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
Ja Rule. Young Buck. Plus he had a hand in breaking up Dipset by beefing with Cam while becoming friendly with Jim Jones in public. He did also manage to make life difficult for The Game, even though Game kinda beat the odds on that one.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
Ja Rule's demise was more down to the fact that he allowed the accusations of "softness" to get to him an alienated his fanbase by releasing Blood In My Eye.
He did more damage with that than 50 could ever have dreamed of.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 7 January 2013 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
you realize the lead single of Blood In My was a 50 diss right
― thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
Well that's how Ross "won" - he didn't allow himself to be substantially influenced by the competing narratives about who (or what) he was. He did toughen up a bit, developing his signature grunt in a more aggressive direction, but in the end he only benefited from it.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
That isn't the point. There were no club/radio friendly hits on the album, which is what had been his bread and butter. I think pretty much every song on the album was a diss and frankly nobody wants to hear that shit.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 7 January 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
well i think in the end the funniest thing about the ross/50 beef is that it really freed ross of his existential shackles re having been a cop, thus allowing him to embrace the even more absurd persona that has fueled his renaissance.
there wasn't much room left for ja artistically anyway but maybe he should've gone all in with a best of both worlds album w/ ashanti or something
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 January 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
Yes and yes!
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
have you ever seen them both in the same room? think about it
― What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
where's the nabisco post where he declared Ja Rule to be his nemesis
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Monday, 7 January 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
are you saying nabisco's beef destroyed ja?
― s.clover, Monday, 7 January 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
50 pretty much just kicked Ja on the way down
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Monday, 7 January 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
i think that's kind of an overstatement. Ja had two back-to-back #1 singles like 6 months before "Wanksta" hit.
― thomp ynchon (some dude), Monday, 7 January 2013 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
It wasn't just Ja who sort of went nowhere very rapidly in that time period. Ashanti, etc. too. He was just especially high profile. That whole sound just sort of fell apart.
Already by The Last Tempation in 2002, Ja Rule wasn't producing the same sort of hits he had with Pain is Love.
Also remember Murder Inc. fell apart, came under federal investigation, got dropped from Def Jam, etc. Around that time 7 Aurelius, who produced some of the highest profile singles had a big feud with Irv Gotti too, claimed that Gotti had taken credit for lots of his tracks (probably true), and soforth.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
chink santana is the unsung murda inc hero tho
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 04:05 (eleven years ago) link
fucking hell she was electrifying @ the scala tonight. so much stage presence and aggression. entire room completely silent and holding their breath when she did "cleaning out my closet". she's the most important young rapper in the game bar none right now
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 00:07 (eleven years ago) link
i stack their bodies on top of each other like i'm hitler
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 00:47 (eleven years ago) link
what's going on with her album? is it coming out this year?
― monotony, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's the plan, she's still writing (and apparently every time she comes to london she makes time to go into the studio with UK producers). no confirmed date at all but more likely in the autumn
"cleaning out my closet" last night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vqjjlLIw4
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 08:26 (eleven years ago) link
she's the most important young rapper in the game bar none right now
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
u_U
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:33 (eleven years ago) link
well that was predictable
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:52 (eleven years ago) link
as was the lack of justification
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/articles/there-are-people-in-world-who-are-concerned-about,32162/
― UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J43YArHDUbI
― monotony, Monday, 3 June 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
it's sort of like all her favourite tics and lines wrapped up in a crossover package right? it's ok, she does a nice line in triumphalism which helps
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Monday, 3 June 2013 08:32 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.spin.com/articles/angel-haze-a-tribe-called-red-unfinished-song-sparse/
― j., Friday, 16 August 2013 00:46 (eleven years ago) link
Tribe Called Red are fucking awesome
― blinded by aggro (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 August 2013 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
what? What? WHAT YES.
A Tribe Called Red are amazing amazing wonderful perfect and the fact that they are working with Angel is the best unexpected thing ever.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 07:32 (eleven years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/yxxngclan/echelon
― monotony, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 23:40 (eleven years ago) link
better link: https://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym/echelon-its-my-way/s-1h9Jk
― monotony, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 05:31 (eleven years ago) link
amazing song
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 12:28 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, it really jams
― monotony, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 12:29 (eleven years ago) link
I was hoping "Echelon" was going to have something to do with the NSA.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 26 September 2013 15:38 (ten years ago) link
These bitches is awful, and me I spit that gospelThat... LYRICAL, BIBLICAL, HOLY GHOST, PENTECOSTAL
^^ Favourite bit. First heard it on 1Xtra, it's on the A list. Pleasantly surprised that she has become so well known in the UK
― Mercer Finn, Friday, 4 October 2013 22:25 (ten years ago) link
I love it.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 October 2013 22:45 (ten years ago) link
I read that the album is coming out in January now.
― monotony, Friday, 4 October 2013 23:50 (ten years ago) link
not terribly into this song. production is great but lyrically i know she can just do so much more.
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 01:34 (ten years ago) link
these 30gold freestyles are amazing
https://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym
― lex pretend, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:09 (ten years ago) link
angel might have just done the impossible and salvaged 'same love' for me?
https://soundcloud.com/angelhazeym/same-love-angel-haze
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:24 (ten years ago) link