this is where someone says we're now as far from "1979" as "1979" was from 1979.
― slugbuggy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
Who is the “BT” credited on a few of the outtakes and rarities, e.g. Cherry (BT 2012 mix)? Google hasn’t been helpful.
― Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 2 February 2013 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
Billy Torgan. No, it's Bjorn Thorsrud, who was an engineer they worked with a bunch.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorn_Thorsrud
I wish I could afford this reissue.
― Walter Galt, Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
Bjorn Thorsgud?
― Raymond Cummings, Saturday, 2 February 2013 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
despite all my rage i am still just a rat in aCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
fuiud
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 March 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
question: is this album Billy C's interpretation of the "the heart music, Echo and the Bunnymen," or is it a two-disc concept album composed in furious response to Kim Thayil? Or should we assume the latter is the "Iscariot" in Pisces Iscariot?
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 March 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
Adore is the Echo & the Bunnymen album obv.
― Heyman (crüt), Monday, 18 March 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that's what's funny - that so clearly lives up to that mission, but it's delayed by one album, as if Billy suddenly had 40+ tracks of non-heart-music that he had to get off his chest.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 March 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Mellon Collie is a good album and some of the band's finest moments are on there, but like with every long album there can be some filler in places.
I much prefer Siamese Dream, which is one of my favourite albums of all time. Hell, I think I prefer Gish to Mellon Collie.
Still, Bullet With Butterfly Wings, Tonight Tonight, 1979, Jellybelly, Zero, XYU, Here Is No Why, Thru The Eyes Of Ruby, Where Boys Fear To Tread, Cupid De Locke and Love are wonderful.
― Slash N Burn, Monday, 18 March 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, and We Only Come Out At Night.
https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1185689_10151895694472328_1380969732_n.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 12 September 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
<3
― Roz, Thursday, 12 September 2013 17:15 (ten years ago) link
“You are trying to use your intuition to guide you through this interview but, if I may say, it’s not guiding you very well. You’re not listening to what I’m saying. You are trying to look into my eyes to see my soul.” He sighs. “Well let me tell you, you won’t find it.”http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=6225
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=6225
Yeah this interview is hilarious.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 September 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
“Go ahead and ask me any thing you want,” he says, “but you won’t get it. I know what you’re after: the story behind the story. Which is a shame. Everyone has lost sight of the real story, which is the music itself. It’s like a train - music is the engine, but other people appear more interested in the other carriages.”
LOL
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 September 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
NEW MELLON COLLIE C-SIDE!! WOW!!! FUCK. full length "In the Arms of Sheep," featured for like 3 seconds in the pastichio medleycould there be more leaks???????sooon??????
https://vimeo.com/98218010
good song, has melody that ended up in "The Last Song."
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 7 July 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link
Can't believe nearly eight years have gone by since I started this thread. Presumably the influence on the young bands of today has to be happening by now, right? Right?
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 July 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
i don't know about artists, but this album has influenced me to not listen to people who say that the smashing pumpkins aren't a good band. a narrow influence, to be sure, but still.
― Treeship, Monday, 7 July 2014 21:42 (nine years ago) link
absolutely. mcis never gets old, and it's easily the best and most accomplished thing they did. the white album of the 90s
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 7 July 2014 21:46 (nine years ago) link
I for one love this album... as said upthread many years ago, one of the few double albums to justify its length. There's only like 2 or 3 clunkers on each disc; still a solid 20 or so songs.
I especially love the lullaby-esque denouement of the final side... We Only Come Out at Night, Beautiful, Lily, By Starlight, Farewell & Goodnight (intentionally or not, always reminds me of "Good Night" on the White Album).
― LimbsKing, Monday, 7 July 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link
always happy to be reminded that i will likely never hear this band again if i make wise choices. it's similar to remembering that i have some control over the events that might lead to me wanting or needing to induce vomiting.
― mattresslessness, Monday, 7 July 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
btw they will pretty obviously become the Kansas or Styx of future Classic Rock, which is probably exactly what Billy Corgan always wanted.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 July 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
did they ever cover "Take It On The Run" live?
― guwop (crüt), Monday, 7 July 2014 22:00 (nine years ago) link
more like Boston or Queen imo. Kansas and Styx is like....silverchair or something
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 7 July 2014 22:39 (nine years ago) link
RHCP is Queen, Lemonheads are Boston
― brimstead, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
I almost threw Boston in there. I feel like the Pumpkins' proggy "art" aspirations take them a little bit towards Styx territory, but clearly Billy had truck with Scholz's guitar landscapes and Delp's yearning dreaminess.
RHCP is Lynyrd Skynyrd but only because I really hesitate to make them the Eagles. Reliable good times, delivered on the road as needed - but not to the exclusion of heartfelt sensitive ballads.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 July 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link
really though i'm pretty sure billy was big fans of boston queen kansas AND styx!
― brimstead, Monday, 7 July 2014 23:03 (nine years ago) link
which one the pumpkins best correlate with 90s wise hmmmmm idk
― brimstead, Monday, 7 July 2014 23:05 (nine years ago) link
ELO
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 7 July 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link
Led Zep = Pearl JamStones = RHCPBeatles = NirvanaSpringsteen = Green DayPumpkins = Eagles
in terms of size/number of hits, not drawing any deep parallels or anything
― some dude, Monday, 7 July 2014 23:32 (nine years ago) link
the smashing pumpkins are not the eagles. fleetwood mac
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 02:59 (nine years ago) link
i think SP is more like Led Zeppelin in terms of deep parallels.
― Poliopolice, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 03:33 (nine years ago) link
yes
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 04:24 (nine years ago) link
Cant hack Corgan but one of my favorite things about this band is the guitar tones....in terms of influence that has to be a 'thing'
― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link
Still a fantastic (and in light of their earlier catalogue) underrated album. Almost certainly my favourite - just the right balance of pomp and rawk. OK Computer two years before the fact and twice as long.
― 3kDk (dog latin), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link
I especially love the lullaby-esque denouement of the final side... We Only Come Out at Night, Beautiful, Lily, By Starlight, Farewell & Goodnight (intentionally or not, always reminds me of "Good Night" on the White Album).― LimbsKing, Monday, July 7, 2014 10:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― LimbsKing, Monday, July 7, 2014 10:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah this is one of my favourite stretches of the record.
― 3kDk (dog latin), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
20 years ago today: the first MCIS pajama show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nccgtJ8DaY
Tonight, TonightIn the Arms of Sleep*Cupid de LockeThirty-threeTodayLily (My One and Only)Take Me DownBeautifulRocketGalapagos========Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (over PA)Where Boys Fear to TreadZeroFuck YouTo ForgiveBullet with Butterfly WingsThru the Eyes of RubyPorcelina of the Vast OceansJellybelly1979*DisarmX.Y.U. (Intro cut on master)=========We Only Come Out at Night*Muzzle=========Geek U.S.A.Cherub Rock
* - First Time Played
― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 January 2016 23:25 (eight years ago) link
http://s3.amazonaws.com/production.mediajoint.prx.org/public/piece_images/421900/mcis3.jpg
Listening to this back to back for the first time in eternity tonight. And it still holds up, even after twenty years, which is baffling in itself. This album was p much the bane of my existence when I was 16/17 years old. Very formative.
Never mind Corgan having gone completely bonkers and insane after Adore, this is still the shit. Wondering if it has the status today that it really should have. Or did this sublime album kill the double concept rock album for good? No idea, but if this was the last, it was a helluva last pompous double rock album. Unique.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 23 December 2016 22:49 (seven years ago) link
has the best flow of any double i've ever heard. 2 hours go by quick. i've burnt this album out so hard, these days i'll play XYU or Fuck You over anything else.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 24 December 2016 00:31 (seven years ago) link
yeah we know, billy
― mookieproof, Saturday, 24 December 2016 00:40 (seven years ago) link
Hard to wrap my head around this thread being as distant from the present as it was from me getting the album for Christmas. Aside from your basic "where did the time go?" feelings, it also seems like nothing whatsoever has changed in terms of the reputations of either the band, the album, or Billy Pumpkin himself. I should give it one of my infrequent full listens and see if it sounds any different to me.
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 24 December 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
As I recall, my mom bought this for me to cheer me up after my first orthodontic appointment. So yeah, it's very much connected with teenage misery for me.
― jmm, Saturday, 24 December 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
Nice gift! That guitar solo on Zero reminds me of a dentist drill
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Saturday, 24 December 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
"... but remember what I said about flossing, and no more chewing those charcoal teeth!"
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 24 December 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
Dr. Corgan: "I'll pull your crooked teeth. You'll be perfect just like me."
― jmm, Saturday, 24 December 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
"Okay... now rinse... okay. Shake out those loose teeth and we'll take a look at that bumblebee mouth."
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 24 December 2016 19:35 (seven years ago) link
and in the eyes of the jackal i say you may need to have your wisdom teeth removed soon
― flappy bird, Saturday, 24 December 2016 22:43 (seven years ago) link
And she gnaws, and she gnaws, and she gnaws
― mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 25 December 2016 00:53 (seven years ago) link
All I think when I listen to it now is, "Wow, Courtney Love really did a number on you, didn't she Billy?"
Seriously, I think she broke him.
― Pheeel, Sunday, 25 December 2016 01:19 (seven years ago) link
On the original vinyl release, all the songs about Courtney are on the same side (Midnight):
Where Boys Fear to TreadZeroFuck YouLoveXYU
lmao get wrecked bill
― flappy bird, Sunday, 25 December 2016 05:04 (seven years ago) link
just wanted to second brad from another pumpkins thread that "Galapagos" is a perfect song and I've never encountered any other like it, so emotionally specific yet elusive
― flappy bird, Thursday, 23 November 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link