those three songs all sound pretty different, in mood, in effect. "ballin" and "kaykay" are closer, tho still pretty distinct to anyone w/ a passing understanding of hip hop
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:18 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Time passes...
'wax impressionistic' about? i was just talking about the production
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:26 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
in an effort to explain why the sounds are completely mind-blowingly obviously different from track to track
and should be to anyone WITHOUT a background in hip hop who isn't a complete brain-dead moron
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:27 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:33 (eleven years ago) link
"i gets lots of commas / i can fuck your mama" "This man bitch steady calling, I wonder how she got my number / I think she got it from Ballout, You know we them bang brothers""I say if you need a feature, homeboy hit up my line / I love when me and Ben Franklin be spending some time""Watch me shoot this three, infirmaries, death / I got twenty seven more of them be courtesy shells""call up d-money, now we throw money / all these bitches off the shits walkin' round like some zombies"
http://24.media.tumblr.com/5175859feaea8be5bada311aa929ada5/tumblr_mf238adrzr1r03eaxo1_500.gifits a record about fuckin balling and getting money & shooting ppl in the face when they try to rob you at gunpoint, its a gangster rap record & making points in a clear & obvious way is the point
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
dayo itt is like the tiny pipsqueak dude that stands around a fight and goes "yeah! fuck em up! yeah!" while shuffling his feet back a few inches every time a punch is thrown
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:28 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm really diggin this self portrait
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGSKZgEnbYI
"way out of my way"?? i feel like people acting like this album all sounds the same have absolutely no context in recent rap which, (hey jordan's review!) except then Al is here agreeing with them, which makes no sense
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:08 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
I mean rap is a genre of lyrics for Christ's fucking sake, if a rapper writes shitty lyrics and can't rap then he sucks, this is easy. Lol for 1000 years at "it's rockist to want a rapper to be able to write something, anything, memorable." Rappers whose rhymes suck...are shitty rappers forever & ever & no amount of purple prose about their personae will ever change that. Jesus Christ internet rap dudes, if you wanna be into celebrity culture then get into Britney like the rest of the world but leave rap to people who like rapping
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
right, well none of this applies to chief keef.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:41 (eleven years ago) link
chief keef wrote the most iconic and memorable lyric of 2012, i hate to break it to you
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
"every day I smell like farts"?
― regarding an eccentric and non-existent American Gladiator (crüt), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
now maybe you would say that "that's that shit i don't like" is a "shitty" lyric, but then it would be obvious from where your argument is really coming from
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
"Watch me shoot this three, infirmaries, death / I got twenty seven more of them be courtesy shells"
that should be "and" not "of"
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
that's like saying kanye had the best lyric of 2011 with 'that shit cray' xp
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
you may also think that "these bitches love sosa / raris and rovas" is a "shitty" lyric and that the fact that its oft-repeated, parroted and meme'd means that whether something is "memorable" should be immaterial to the discussion about the quality of lyrics, but then your original argument wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
― 乒乓, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:36 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes saying someone who has 'no context' in recent rap is definitely the same as saying someone needs to be steeped in the background of hip hop to see the differences
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
ad communication: take Understand Me for instance. Chief is beggng me to understand him, but he does it in a totally nonchalant, detached way that makes it clear that a) he's not really expecting me to understand him or even say something he wants to hear, and b) it really doesn't matter anyway. The ad libs are pretty unfocused, happy with being sounds rather than emphasizing how important it is that I understand him. Then enter Jeezy, the traditional goon, who starts off by referencing Keef's hit, as if it is really important to him that we understand that he is very aware of whose song he is on. As his verse proceeds, he uses his ad libs to create the illusion that he is in fact the ideal audience to his own narrative, laughing at the jokes, admiring the objects of desire he describes in his verse - totally immersed in communicating. Now I'm specifically not saying that because of this Keef is a lesser lyricist than Jeezy - I am describing their styles and delivery and the impression created by them and how Keef differs from other goons.
In Gucci too there is always an element of "look at me, see what I can do and say" - a joy in acting aout the Gucci persona - that is not exactly lacking but rather obscured or displaced in Keef.
― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago) link
― 乒乓, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:46 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is kind of otm tho
― 乒乓, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:46 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark
look i'm not the one who accused chief keef of not having "memorable" lyrics
i dont understand what longneck is saying btw
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
which is fine, and I'm sympathetic to populist arguments
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
i was going to listen to this to form an opinion but now I'm afraid of shrapnel from either side so I'm gonna be unperson-proud of not having heard it.
― NINO CARTER, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
best lyric on understand me is
'rob him for his stacks, if he's the son of sam / who gives a fuck we don't care bout nothin' fam'
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
you may say that "hate being sober" is merely a song title and not a "memorable" lyrics, but then again https://twitter.com/search?q=%22hate%20being%20sober%22&src=typd
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:49 (eleven years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:47 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Eh. Do you perceive a difference between Keef and Jessie's approaches to rapping on Understand Me? If so, what does it consist in?
― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
was unaware son of sam had stacks tbh
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
i love the entire hate being sober verse, it all flows together perfectly:
On my tour bus, we get dumb high, you’s a floor boyFredo got a hangover he toting a CobraLast night he was shooting shit up like O-DogReesy rollin, Tadoe got hoes on molliesChief Sosa, Ballout, we high riding ‘RarisMy bitches love drinking, some love smokingLet my alcoholic bitch hit the dope, she start chokingCall up D-Money, now we throw moneyAll these bitches off the shits walk around like some zombiesCall up D-Money, now we throw moneyAll these bitches off the shits walk around like some zombies
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
I can't lie I really like this one a lot
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:50 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's a separate thought. they rob him for his stacks, they're unafraid even if he's the son of sam
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
trying to pull apart where keef's lyrics are "good" and where they're "memorable" runs counter to the entire point of his music -- like waka he says he made a conscious decision to write simple lyrics. and if you admit that he has memorable lyrics -- or there's a mountain of evidence for that argument -- then the argument that he's a "shitty" lyrics kind of falls apart.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
unlike w/ gucci i think most of keef's lyrics don't really translate well to being written out, tho
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
the "that boy jewelry lookin bleary like who sold him that shit" reminds me of gucci's "freakin partners probly never bother with a second option" tho, weird syllable play
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
this thread has become amazing and a future ilx classic. has made my work day well worth it
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:57 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark
also this epic pimp c quote
835bosse 6 months ago"ALL YOU BITCH ASS NIGGAS OUT THERE BUYIN THAT O KING JOHNNY, WITH THEM CLOUDY ASS DIAMONDS, LOOK LIKE HURRICANE KATRINA JUST HIT!"- PIMP C
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
so "memorable" is the yardstick now
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
again, i didn't bring it up
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
jesus are we really going to go down that "what makes a lyric good" rabbit hole?
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:06 (eleven years ago) link
HOLY SHIT I ABSOLUTELY LOST IT AT: "Tuomas would body Keef in 8 bars and drop the mic onto the icy Finnish stage"
post of the year IMO.
― Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:06 (eleven years ago) link
because i'ma tell you right now, no two parties will ever agree on a definition
he has a cool voice and an original style. his voice sounds at once affectless and 'cool' (in that detached, unruffleable sense) & yet it PROJECTS. good rapper voice. his flow is original, w/ that weird off the beat swag that drives ship nuts, idk
the problem w/ this is the more people expect you to 'explain it' the more posts there are and then they can go LOOK YOU GUYS ARE OVERANALYZING HE JUST SAYS 'I CAN FUCK YOUR MAMA' AND YOU HAVE LIKE 50 POSTS LOL CASSIE FAN CLUB
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:09 (eleven years ago) link
its this inexcusable need to compare everything to Nas as if the Eazy E / Too Short / Pimp C yardstick was such a bad one
what's sh1p's username on here again?
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
this guy is no Too $hort gimme a fuckin break
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
xpost kl0pper
― NINO CARTER, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes thats definitely the argument i was making
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
a 17 year old kid with one album and a couple mixtapes is too $hort
laughin at this slave's life
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
where is this sudden meme about waka being joyous and charismatic coming from
― D-40, Friday, December 14, 2012 5:02 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://24.media.tumblr.com/5175859feaea8be5bada311aa929ada5/tumblr_mf238adrzr1r03eaxo1_500.gif
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:34 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
Chief Keef why you say those nasty words
― NINO CARTER, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:16 (eleven years ago) link
I'm just sayin if you want to go by the Eazy/Too $hort/Pimp C axis that's fine but he seems much more humorless/less comical to me and that makes it much less appealing
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
This need is a strawman you pull out when you want to defend bad lyricists. AFAIK/IIRC Eazy didn't write his own rhymes but who can deny that "Real Muthaphuckkin Gs" is a great lyric? Not everybody's gonna be cerebral comb-through-it-for-hidden-meanings style, tand I can't speak for anybody else but that's not my complaint, I don't care what somebody's writing about or whether they're aiming for deeper truths or whatever. one can write well on any topic, and in a multitude of styles, as many styles as there are writers.
if we're taking "memorable" to mean "people can remember it" instead of "worth remembering" then yes, these are memorable. so is that band fun. by that yardstick.
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
well i think it's both and i like fun., so idk
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
j0rdan shutting down an argument by linking a search of a song title in twitter is some jason newsted "yes, we sell out ::claps hands:: every night, every seat in the house" shit
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago) link