No, but Ken "Don't Call Me Bundy" Brown was.
― hstencil, Friday, 17 January 2003 20:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
and the audience wasn't much better. standing their stroking their chins and furrowing their brows. i was trying to fucking dance, dammit!
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Friday, 17 January 2003 20:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
near the end of college, listening to lots of "college rock" (pavement et al.), i discovered tortoise, and it really blew the door open for discovering non-rock bands that are amazing and influential. while not necesarilly introducing me to lots of styles, they made me really interested in new territories -- dub, kraut rock, prog, electronic, minimalist composers like steve reich and terry riley, ennio morricone, glitch [through label mates oval], more out forms of jazz.
i think after a while the whole post rock scene became very same-y, especially from the second generation of post-rock bands, who's influences were tortoise, rather than all of the aforementioned styles tortoise borrowed from.
i once met the band, while they were Tom Ze's back up band, and they were complete assholes
and Standards was a big steaming pile of dog doo
― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 17 January 2003 20:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 17 January 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
I saw them at the NYC show, and it was no good either. I've seen them a bunch live, tho, and that was the first time they were truly sucky. And I've danced during those other shows, too (and unlike Out Hud, they did not command me to!).
hehehehe, well I can see that. Was that when Ze played Park West? I was at that show. Anyway, McEntire's kinda shy, which makes him seem aloof (I don't think he played with Ze). Herndon is kinda bratty sometimes. But Doug, Bitney and Jeff are some of the nicest guys I've known, ever. ESP. Doug. That man is totally a saint. Unpretentious, down-to-earth, willing and able to chat about anything/everything in a really cool way. If most "hatas" got to meet Doug and just talk with him for five mintues, their icy hearts would melt. Or not. I say that tho 'cause a lot of the hating has little to do with the music, and much to do with a (mis)perception of their personalities.
No disagreement here, bro-dy. Don't know why I own this.
― hstencil, Friday, 17 January 2003 21:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mosurock (mosurock), Saturday, 18 January 2003 00:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 18 January 2003 00:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Saturday, 18 January 2003 03:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
Shan't.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
Oh jeez ... what AECO tune did they butcher?
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 18 January 2003 07:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
"Theme de Yo Yo", sans vocals, natch. It was ARGGGH-ifying.
― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Saturday, 18 January 2003 15:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
Natch.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 18 January 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ian Johnson, Sunday, 19 January 2003 22:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 15:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 16:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
anyone listened to this lately? i think it's aged much better than the tortoise stuff.
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 September 2003 06:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
the drone dissolving into the concrete then the emergence of the acoustic passages and finally the abstract jungle beats into reverse synth bleeding.
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 September 2003 06:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 18 September 2003 06:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Damian (Damian), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 18 September 2003 17:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 2 January 2004 19:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 2 January 2004 19:37 (twenty years ago) link
― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 2 January 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 2 January 2004 19:44 (twenty years ago) link
― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 2 January 2004 19:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 2 January 2004 20:03 (twenty years ago) link
Rockist: 'The Bar' is available on the three disc version of Perfect Lives, but it's a slightly different recording. That is an exceptional piece. He should get a whole thread, I'm an Ashley fanatic.
― (Jon L), Saturday, 3 January 2004 00:14 (twenty years ago) link
I didn't know the Ashley piece was based on someone else's poem.
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 3 January 2004 01:26 (twenty years ago) link
and the only thing the tortoise piece has in common with the ashley piece is the namedrop. still no need to listen to tortoise.
― (Jon L), Saturday, 3 January 2004 01:43 (twenty years ago) link
But I bought some later Ashley that didn't hook me in, so I've kind of backed off from his work. (I can't think of the title right now, but it was a large-scale opera type thing.) Also, "The Bar" is really my favorite part of that Perfect Lives work.
I guess one of us should start an Ashley thread. You know more than I do, but if you start one some time, I'll chime in, maybe think of something new to say (maybe not).
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 3 January 2004 01:54 (twenty years ago) link
didn't mean to be anti-Tortoise above, they certainly were better than many things in the 90's.
― (Jon L), Saturday, 3 January 2004 02:16 (twenty years ago) link
― (Jon L), Saturday, 3 January 2004 02:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:37 (twenty years ago) link
frustrating to realize only the rough tape survived. think of what they could have done with a more detailed mixdown.
― (Jon L), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:40 (twenty years ago) link
― jed (jed_e_3), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:41 (twenty years ago) link
― jed (jed_e_3), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:43 (twenty years ago) link
I don't see what the big deal with the "tape crash" thing is.
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 31 May 2004 01:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 31 May 2004 01:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 31 May 2004 01:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Pack Yr Romantic Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 31 May 2004 02:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 31 May 2004 03:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Mike Stuchbery, Monday, 31 May 2004 11:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:37 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:41 (twenty years ago) link
There's a new Chicago Underground Quartet album out too.
― fetter, Sunday, 29 March 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link
right on the new one is brain fart got it(sorry)
― brimstead, Monday, 30 March 2020 01:34 (four years ago) link
mini West Coast tour at the end of March
http://www.trts.com/
― StanM, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 16:30 (one year ago) link
Link to buy new reissue is broken, link to their merch is broken. The 'marketing' behind this band is being run by idiots. Do they not want money for their merch and albums?
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link
Whoa, calm down, it'll be okay.
fyi - you can also buy the reissue on bandcamp - https://tortoise.bandcamp.com/album/rhythms-resolutions-clusters
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 17:11 (one year ago) link
Seems like a totally fair comment to me tbqh. Bands should keep their websites up to date, especially when it concerns product.
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 18:28 (one year ago) link
yeah, it's definitely annoying, but "run by idiots" seemed a little much.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 18:35 (one year ago) link
just wait until the better business bureau finds out about these broken links, they'll have a thing or two to say to these nincompoops
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 19:26 (one year ago) link
When I think of tortoise I can only think of how I have the vinyl of TNT and wonder if I can get money for it
― | (Latham Green), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 19:47 (one year ago) link
They’re quietly gearing up to release new music, and this is part of that. (Tour and reissue, not links that briefly don’t work.)
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 20:24 (one year ago) link