rolling time travel thread 2013 -> 1987 -> 1836 -> 3954

ooooh cool

as E3 mentioned in their apportioned thread, Pinkish Black def belongs in this thread, esp when they release a new album this year. EZSnappin, who knows them, tells me that the drummer has been taking cues from Jaki for the new stuff

so yeah, speaking of space rock w/ black metal vocals, was pleased to hear pinkish black copping that feel on "tell her I'm dead". PB get a lotta comparisons to suicide for some reason which I guess is gonna happen when you play repetitive fuzzed out keyboard shit, but just cuz you use a whammy bar doesn't mean you need to mention van halen. if suicide were desaturated 1950s rock filtered thru urban future shock then pinkish black is hi-def 1850s baroque shot into the milky way. there's something playful/cartoonish in the music, which is nice compared to the usual blacker-than-thou nonsense, and tho I get their cred w/ the metal crowd, they're jammed sideways between genre cracks and straining towards the sky like some silver apples/rainbow/hawkwind mashup, yup def time travelers and btw check out this reet vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tR0zn3zo0

and thx imago, I was aware dominique was doing the song a day thing but got intimidated @ the thought of keeping up, yr post goaded me to dip in

didn't get too far but ava mendoza's skronk on "UB313" sure tickled my fancy

Pinkish Black are less Suicide now (not that it was ever huge, as Edward points out) or anything else in particular and more something entirely new. Definitely some heavier krautrock in the drumming but the keys and vocals are confidently carving out their own space and sound. If the live versions are anything to go by the new record is gonna be amazing, but I don't expect as warm a reception from the metal community. The vaguely metal bit of their mix of influences has been steadily disappearing over the past year, though they are still loud and intense as hell.

But take everything I say with a grain of salt. I've quickly lost any sense of proportion when it comes to these guys and am straight up cheerleading for them these days.

MOTHERFUCKER

Pinkish Black are the fucking NUTS. That song mangled me!

First album is on Bandcamp, broheem. Against the Door is a personal favorite

it's not a zillion miles away from being a much, much more fun (and bass-driven/choral) iteration of nu-Horrors

the album that got talked up a bit on here last year didn't really click w/ me but this track is cool. seems like everything the Beak> album was striving for, but in six minutes

side b of that album (last 3 tracks) is really special, much better than side a, enormous music. and 'against the door' hasn't even started yet!

Love seeing these guys get fans.

'against the door' was if I'm not wrong a whopping great Magma invocation, with more electronics. approval, lots of approval.

I think so, but I haven't asked them directly. The 70s signifiers like Magma, Can and Goblin are really strong in their music without them sounding retro.

yes. not to borrow so much as to refract.

well, the best thing about that album was that it felt like the *start* of something, as if they have plenty in reserve and having tested the waters are about to unleash the fucking kraken

and that it actually made me stop listening to dominique leone for half an hour. seriously, if nothing else gets released this year I think I'd happily subsist on his project alone. ah but then there's mbv, autechre.......2013 is shaping up brilliantly

just wanted to point out that covering stickmen w/ rayguns proves their hearts are in the right place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwdC0ZaR3yo

maybe if i put this here, someone will tell me where i should post it -- also, not bad!
Cyclopean is a collaboration from Burnt Friedman, Jono Podmore and Can founding members Jaki Liebezeit, and Irmin Schmidt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvIDNE0k528&feature=youtu.be

nice!!

Cool, I really liked the last Secret Rhythms album so I'll check this out!

iirc Tuomas is the big Burnt Friedman fan round these parts but he will probably have no inclination to open this thread

newish selma oxor track
http://selmaoxor.bandcamp.com/track/do-it

also checking out this EP from 2009 by the selma oxor band, some nice bits of electrodread in here
http://selmaoxor.bandcamp.com/album/s-o-band-ep-2009

William Bennett’s latest performance-art project Cut Hands surfaces in at least four different threads (world music, noise, mutant techno and DJ mix), so I’m dragging his increasingly prestigious mongrel squall to squat w/its kindred freaks itt. musically, Bennett’s bolting together ambient, industrial, world music and post-techno into a suggestive but too-restrained clunk ‘n drone, but I’m willing to entertain the possibility of advanced-level prankster trolling via Merchant/Ivory-in-leather-trousers mockery. conceptually, Cut Hands seems to be an intentionally overloaded bag o’ signifiers w/ the interpretive Ouroboros expected from a white “racist” provocateur reverently presenting so-quantized-it’s-gonna-crack “trad” Afro-tribal music alternately sprinkled w/ both skronk and schlock and framed in 19th-century dark-continent tripe that’s juggled w/ post-colonial critique (Cut Hands, ffs) and performance-theory gloss. the joke is essentially so all-encompassing that it implodes into synthetic sincerity, but these three tunes are cool, so w/e:

Backlash: http://youtu.be/6pTA3UfS-Yg
Shut Up and Bleed: http://youtu.be/wdakwL8cfNc
Bia Mintatu: http://youtu.be/1gZwk3ia7w0

I’ve been meaning to write about Portal f/ a while, so I’m gonna claim their new rec Vexovoid f/ the folk-atrocity gallery before it mistakenly finds its way to the rolling metal thread. all four Portal recs are great, and w/ Vexovoid Portal continue to furrow obsessively towards an elusive Jandek/Burzum/Merzbow continuum that drives them to vomit endless variations of lysergic sewer-metal. I think these kooks grokked a ruined map in Kerry King’s solos and used it to build a horribly misshapen template of groaning-collapse guitars, intermittent and asynchronous drums possibly from a Roland that's been smashed w/ a bat, and goddamn-the-sun vox that collectively power-ooze w/ meth urgency. Portal don’t “rock” so much as they lurch and sink and swell, concocting noise/psych/jazz/metal that’s arguably awful instead of avant-garde, but idgaf ‘cause this is the tr00 death-ambient shit-show that I need to spin f/hours to quiet multiple brain fevers.

Kilter: http://youtu.be/buBWphrRnkc
Plasm: http://youtu.be/75SERcv4Wfo

at the risk of sounding as dumb as I prolley am, what is the inference of post colonial critique in the phrase 'cut hands'?

Posted on one of the Dead C threads, showing it how its done yet again!

at the risk of sounding as dumb as I prolley am, what is the inference of post colonial critique in the phrase 'cut hands'?

iirc hand amputation was employed by (some) Euro colonists to discipline African workers for failing to meet production quotas during the 19th and early 20th century. "critique" is prob. too blunt f/Bennett's MO, and while "Cut Hands" foregrounds colonial violence, I think Bennett generally portrays violence as a conduit to truth, and in this particular context as an essential if problematic ingredient to 20th-century African musical contribution (perhaps pushing against Adorno's views on jazz). in any event, I think he's more interested in fostering difference than ideology, making him more trickster than activist. my only ish w/the project is the sketchbook quality of the tunes, which are both too short and oddly stiff (w/drums that sound sampled and sequenced rather than played). I also suspect that Black Mamba's turn towards new age gloop is the result of an intentional play against type f/ added frisson, which is interesting but academic. IMO the entire project should've been built w/Backlash as the cornerstone, but atm noize is critical to my mental health, so grain o' salt etc.

'against the door' was if I'm not wrong a whopping great Magma invocation, with more electronics. approval, lots of approval.

― imago, Thursday, February 7, 2013 5:47 PM (2 weeks ago)

Jon was wearing a Magma shirt and belt buckle last night, and Daron laughingly told me that "Against The Door" is their mini-Magma tribute. So a very astute observation.

new purling hiss... not into it

http://blog.irockcleveland.com/2013/02/19/play-me-mercury-retrograde-by-purling-hiss/

think I'm helping to put them on in a few months. do they bring it in the live situation?

when i saw them they were touring off that woodsist lp which was imo their worst release so they played a bunch of that... the material off hissteria or the s/t rips p hard but isn't as drugged out/crazy effects as i would have liked, at times they cand sound pretty classic rock bar band. the good moments were really good and i would catch them again

new track is way too dinosaur jr for me

i've never been into in the side of the band that's not blown out ott hard rock freak out though

i'm digging all the new purling hiss stuff

i would LOVE to hear a cleaned up 'run from the city'

is fake techno time travel? discuss.

http://freemusicarchive.org/curator/FMA/blog/The_Real_Scoop_on_Fake_Techno

new Hiss is solid, but i agree with flopson that they're best at blown-out-freak-out-ing.

Hissteria is an all-time classic hard rock/guitar record, imo

is fake techno time travel? discuss.

surprised to hear heavy influence of critically loathed breakcore/chiptune (names none dare speak) + liberal chunks of mutant techno, hipster house, Imminent Starvation/Converter, Space Streakings, Fuck Buttons, Mindflayer, Pan Sonic/Vladislav Delay, Shit 'n Shine, Brainiac/Six Finger Satellite, Not Not Fun, Heatsick, Dan Deacon, Black Dice, Dominick Fernow, Digital Hardcore, etc. (Harms inadvertently drags everything under the FT banner, but w/e.)

"fake techno" seems a bit #seapunk/#vaporwave f/shit that's been building f/ over thirty years, but at least won't give the purists a collective stroke like "hipster house" (not to badmouth stroke-gifting to purists). Mincemeat, Mutwawa & Humanbeast are entertaining enough tho & fit the thread.

yeah I like the fake techno handle cuz it short circuits the usual microgenre authenticity concern trolling and returns a brownout of non-aspirational definition by absence etc

negativespacecore, wave manqué, ooh la la

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYGl-l0Toig

I like this one better tho, les rallizes dethai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWSe3mv3ZN8

i'm gonna admit that i don't understand these two posts at all (except ooh la la, that i get)
halp

yeah I like the fake techno handle cuz it short circuits the usual microgenre authenticity concern trolling and returns a brownout of non-aspirational definition by absence etc

― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Tuesday, March 5, 2013 9:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

negativespacecore, wave manqué, ooh la la

― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Tuesday, March 5, 2013 9:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

no time to unpack, focus on the ooh la la for now

ok la la

yeah I like the fake techno handle cuz it short circuits the usual microgenre authenticity concern trolling and returns a brownout of non-aspirational definition by absence etc

― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Tuesday, March 5, 2013 9:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

i'm gonna admit that i don't understand these two posts at all (except ooh la la, that i get)
halp

EZ guess:

"fake techno" a kind of fuck-off notion analogous w/ the vehement olde tyme punk-rock disavowal of playing/enjoying/aesthetically taking part in rock 'n roll to psychologically demolish its accreted/ponderous traditions and clear the maximum amount of cultural space f /new endeavors (negativespacecore).

tl;dr:

my toxic-distillation-cartoon-takeaway from "fake techno": techno has an obsessive next-level/futurist narrative that's "progressive" but also a fucking drag b/c it's so conservatively maintained. this DNA-level code is an engine of sonic innovation, but also breeds cultish trainspotting fuckwad frenzy, curdles techno production into joyless, cold-war creepcraft, and at its very worst plays out like a perpetual-motion-Fleshlight-lubed-w/-Axe-dialectic-to-doucheville. you might say, then, that fake-techno-as-wave-manque is willing to pass on the fruits of techno's cultural capital for a license to royally fuck shit up, accepting the inevitability of general mockery, accusations of ineptitude and lack of recognition from the lol gatekeepers of techno proper (whoever the fuck they are, idk this is myth/#artdrone/making-shit-up-as-I-go). (EIII as we speak getting ready to disavow any mention of negativespacecore and wave manque.)

ps: I really like techno, but I'm an old way off the demographic chart f/ Mincemeat, so w/e. they're prob. just blowing shit up f/ laffs and good f/ them.

"Fake" seems like a huge cop-out. More like "I suck at techno, I'll just call it fake"

At least vaporwave n shit revels in its inherent shittiness

Fake Techno's a term I used to describe my music starting back a couple years ago. I was working with a lot of effects and feedback loops trying to approximate the structure and sounds of techno, and it sounded good but without drum machines, synths, music making stuff, it didn't really work. It wasn't noise but it wasn't techno so I decided it was the fake version of techno.

Dude no just keep workin at it or go back to yr feedback fx and loops (blaugh)

Or just call it industrial

Sorry, having an Andy Rooney moment :/

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