the music blasting out of car stereos has always been counted (via radio airplay being factored in)
― wk, Thursday, 21 February 2013 07:40 (eleven years ago) link
Most of the views for "Harlem Shake" aren't even the whole song, it's just for the first 30 seconds. How much of the song has to be on the video for it to count? I really don't understand why Billboard isn't just limiting this to official videos.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Thursday, 21 February 2013 11:38 (eleven years ago) link
Billboard is counting 30 second videos, and starting it this week, precisely to capitalize on "Harlem Shake" and show off how 'with it' they are for being able to measure its popularity. i was reading a Billboard.biz article a few days ago about how the technology for recognizing whether a copyrighted song is used in just-uploaded YouTubes is really advanced now so Baauer's been generating instant royalties every time one of these videos gets made.
― some dude, Thursday, 21 February 2013 12:53 (eleven years ago) link
smh is billboard gonna change its rules with every new meme to show how "with it" they are
― lex pretend, Thursday, 21 February 2013 13:09 (eleven years ago) link
Damn I just realized that "Friday" would have been a top 10 hit if this had been in place at that time.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Thursday, 21 February 2013 13:36 (eleven years ago) link
it even made the bbchttp://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/21534066
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 21 February 2013 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:36 AM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
God I didn't think of that
― in a chef-driven ambulance (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 February 2013 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
all pop music is just a menagerie of memes set to the illusion of music iirc
― I'm on Picasso's side here. (crüt), Thursday, 21 February 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
Rebecca Black definitely would've been #1
― some dude, Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
hopefully there will be another rebecca black event to showcase how absurd billboard is now
― 乒乓, Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:18 (eleven years ago) link
billboard should be nationalized and taken over by the government so this shit doesn't happen
― 乒乓, Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
it'd be a good time in history for somebody to get serious about making a competing chart tbh. It's weird to me that this idea of Billboard as the immoveable object of popularity measurement is so instilled - that it's "The Chart," still? get w/it people who give a shit about this stuff
― available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
Let's do it.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
let's just go straight to the source
http://www.youtube.com/channel/HCp-Rdqh3z4Uc?feature=gb_ch_rec
― 乒乓, Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
there's no competiting chart because what billboard used to do isn't practical anymore. I think 'people who give a shit about this stuff' are limited to this thread.
― iatee, Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
i was reading a Billboard.biz article a few days ago about how the technology for recognizing whether a copyrighted song is used in just-uploaded YouTubes is really advanced now so Baauer's been generating instant royalties every time one of these videos gets made.
idgi who's paying him the royalties?
― just sayin, Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
youtube I think
― 乒乓, Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
people watch ads on youtube, youtube makes money from ads, youtube gives some of that money to people
― iatee, Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
o yeah
― just sayin, Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
Yup, pretty much says as much here
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/17/meet-baauer-the-man-behind-the-harlem-shake.html
The “Harlem Shake” videos, meanwhile, have totaled over 175 million YouTube views and counting. And, according to Billboard, Baauer and the label that put out the track, Mad Decent, stand to make quite a pretty penny with it since they, through various deals, will collect revenues for each and every one of these YouTube views.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
How much royalty are they getting per view? Much much less than 1 cent, right?
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
they are getting one shake of a white person's butt per view
― 乒乓, Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
― 乒乓, Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:18 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
imo "Harlem Shake" at #1 is dumber than "Friday" at #1 would've been
― some dude, Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
What's today's exchange rate on white booty shakes to the dollar? Is it something like 75,000 WBS = 1 USD?
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
yeah though the WBS exchange rate goes down exponentially in canada
― 乒乓, Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.thecmuwebsite.com/article/gangnam-style-generated-8-million-in-youtube-ad-revenues/
It was estimated last month that the six month old novelty track and internet phenomenon had generated about that much in total, including download revenues and sync deals in addition to YouTube revenues. The Google figures would suggest Psy’s big hit may have been even more profitable to date, though it’s not clear how much of that $8 million in ad income went to the artist and his business partners.
With ‘Gangnam Style’ having been viewed 1.23 billion times to date, that stat suggests the video was earning about $6.50 for every 1000 streams, which would suggest ads around the promo were being sold at a premium, which figures given just how big a hit the cheesy-k-pop+silly-dance phenomenon became last year.
― iatee, Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
so roughly $1m probably at this point
will never look at william bloody swygart's name the same way again xp
― some dude, Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
I think gangnam style being kept out of the #1 spot already proved how absurd billboard is. unless you think that a maroon 5 song with a tenth of the youtube views of GS is really more popular just because clear channel plays it more.
― wk, Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
can we leverage the internet to get old memes like "Chocolate Rain" onto the Billboard charts?
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
"Nyan Cat" was robbed.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr01/2013/2/19/16/anigif_enhanced-buzz-22020-1361308248-10.gif
― 乒乓, Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
hate u
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/SMYgWps.gif
― 乒乓, Thursday, 21 February 2013 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
u are not tricking me again
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Thursday, 21 February 2013 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
I vented a bit.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 February 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
re: the static nature of the Spotify charts, I notice that AWOLNATION's "Sail" is still at #15 as of today
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Thursday, 21 February 2013 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
who's crying the most right now...psy, rick astley, antoine dodson or rebecca black
and does this mean fewer "this video has been deleted per sony/bmg/random label" occurrences? does having random lyric videos and fanvids of watson/sherlock set to an adele now mean enough eyes and ears and billboard impact that it changes how they manage the dissemination of their ip on youtube and in general?
i'm not a fan of this but i suppose it seems like logical progression. i'm old school and think of billboard charting as more of a "statement" vs an actual snapshot of what's going into people's ears, incidental or not. so what gives me pause is that it takes a lot of the agency and intention out of what drives the chart...when you buy/stream a song or a radio station chooses to play it it's about the specific song; a song charting because it was the bg music in a video of skateboarding injuries that was posted on reddit is giving it credit for a secondary and not indispensable role.
― musically, Thursday, 21 February 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
there was 'agency and intention' driving the chart?
― iatee, Thursday, 21 February 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
more so than a song is getting a bump on the chart because it's part of a viral video that people are clicking on w/ zero aforethought to what song was included. traditionally someone was making a decision based on the song, someone was buying it or streaming it, a radio station chose to play it (involved in some cycle based on listener preferences), so the previous iteration of the chart was based more on active listening preferences than passive.
― musically, Thursday, 21 February 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
but sales still factor in, and harlem shake is selling. there's a lot more intention involved in somebody deciding to put that song in their video, a friend deciding to forward it to you because you might like it, you deciding to click on it, etc. than in a song getting added to a corporate radio playlist.
― wk, Thursday, 21 February 2013 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
Sales factor in, but Billboard says that "Harlem Shake" is at 3.5 times the chart points of the current #2 hit (Thrift Shop), which has more sales than "Harlem Shake". I'm 99% sure that even if "Harlem Shake" had no sales at all it would still be #1 by a comfortable margin. That's my main problem, that the YouTube views seem to be weighted too high.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Thursday, 21 February 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
it's really dumb to equate youtube views with an itunes sales, it's a whole different level of engagement with a listener, an itunes sale is saying "i like this song and i want to listen to it repeatedly", youtube can be anything "i like this song" to "what the fuck is this?" "this is so stupid" "eh this is kinda funny" etc etc
― in a chef-driven ambulance (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 February 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
you're talking about intention re: the video aspect, i'm talking about intention re: the song. you're clicking on "guy gets hit in the groin" because you want to see a guy get kicked in the crotch, the fact that "hurts so good" is playing in the bg is neither here nor there to the viewers. songs get added to radio playlists because stations and listeners have a symbiotic relationship so they supposedly drive each other's decisions.
i'm not a pollyanna, i don't harbor any misconceptions about charts perfectly and fairly capturing the zeitgeist. but doesn't mean that this isn't a step down.
― musically, Thursday, 21 February 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
on the other hand, 2 Girls 1 Cup would have made a pretty awesome #1
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 21 February 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
omg
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Thursday, 21 February 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
look at the upside, maybe lemme smang it will get the respect it deserves
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 21 February 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
i don't see the problem, a priori, with rebecca black or somebody like it being #1 on a chart
― goole, Thursday, 21 February 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think either of these claims are true! the thing is, Billboard's nationwide charts generally shitty for a number of reasons, one of which is the dreaded homogeneity - as late as the late eighties, regional charts are a thing, I know some old-school industry dudes who collect and publish them and they're fascinating and cool. And extinct, because Clear Channel etc., but we're in a moment where something like them - except not regionally, but in terms of "people who're into _____" - could be gathered and reported and used. I do get that artists can use their Billboard performance to get better advances, guarantees, etc., but...it's really weird that this antiquated dinosaur model of popularity measurement is afforded any "preserve this model" sentiment imo
― available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 21 February 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
i buy all the arguments that a set of music charts ought to represent music as it is being produced and consumed by its various communities, instead of... whatever billboard is ostensibly trying to show
i wonder if the way around all this is, instead of trying to weigh and then compile diffs between purchases, airplay, tube plays, etc, and running them together by ill-defined genre, just have charts for the various channels. physical sale, (paid?) download, radio, internet video/stream.
― goole, Thursday, 21 February 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link