Right, that was what they were suing about before. I'm just surprised they're continuing with that and not going after downloaders as well.
― new hope for orang-utan (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 05:14 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's pretty hard, with bit torrent. You're downloading from dozens of places at once, in bits and pieces. But if you have something and you're sharing it, not just bits of it but all of it, you're a much easier target.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
Reminds me of a story my dad told me of getting pulled over in the middle of the night in Texas. He'd been speeding through the desert when he saw the cop lights, and per local law, they had to go wake up the judge to settle things that night. Everyone's tired, everyone's tired, and my dad asks, after paying up: "Everyone out there was speeding, too, so why did you pull me over?'
The cop's answer: "we'll get them next time."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 05:28 (eleven years ago) link
if you torrent, and share the torrent pieces as you get them (per default), then your ip address is visible unless you've taken some measures to hide it. whether or not you're flagged (e.g. to receive a warning via your isp, passing on the threat from the copyright holder) depends on whether someone is dedicating any resources to noting that you have been uploading (even as a torrent user). i suspect, from past experience, that this is more likely the more high-volume a thing you're stealing. (more commercial, more downloaders, closer to commercial release dates, etc.)
― j., Tuesday, 26 February 2013 05:54 (eleven years ago) link
PrivateInternetAccess gets me speeds pretty much identical to not being connected to a VPN, fwiw.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 06:00 (eleven years ago) link
you guys could just stop stealing shit
― wk, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 06:32 (eleven years ago) link
good one.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 06:35 (eleven years ago) link
shakes fist
― wk, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 07:06 (eleven years ago) link
Still trusting my nntp USENET source of choice.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 08:55 (eleven years ago) link
Would appreciate VPN service recommendations though.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 08:56 (eleven years ago) link
seedbox is da bomb
― give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 09:13 (eleven years ago) link
Seedbox looks cool, but looks more appealing to people for whom downloading is a much more than casual endeavor. Like, competitive seeders, private server kings, etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
I have been happy with Private Internet Access for VPN. I mostly use it to watch US Netflix and blackedout NHL games, but its pretty cheap and pretty reliable.
― sofatruck, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
I'm pretty hardassed about only dl'ing things that I either can't purchase (OOP etc.) or have already purchased in another format (cuz really why should I have to buy something twice. Prince Among Thieves is great, I spent $20 on the vinyl when it came out, now I have to buy it again in MP3 format? fuck you)
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
What Shakey said.
I should stop stealing shit, right after I stop buying music on eBay too, right? I'd feel a lot worse about stealing music if there wasn't a gigantic, state-sanctioned secondary market doing the same thing.
― Actually, I did build it you fucktard (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
Music was pretty awesome before the RIAA started imho. Every house had a piano. People learned how to play songs their own way. You could get a job playing music along to a movie in a theater. Etc etc etc
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
...Beck's new album is going to be released as sheet music....
― m0stlyClean, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
that already happened
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, a bunch NPR dorks recorded their own versions
― gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/recorded-music-industry-revenue-rises-424574
Music industry revenue rose last year for the first time since 1999.
― kendrick delmar - good kid, f.U.C.k. you (The Reverend), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 23:41 (eleven years ago) link
too bad approximately zero of that growth went to actual musicians. looks like most of it came from subscription services, which don't pay shit.
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
but they're easier than P2P so who cares right
they pay more than p2p
― iatee, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
sometimes
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
I'm at a point now where I don't care how much or little a subscription service pays out. It's finally the right platform in the post-Napster world and if the artists push back hard enough then they might get somewhere with their cut of the revenue. Lots of (not terribly old) artists are still of the old mindset, though, so it may be a few more years before anything substantial happens on that front.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
spotify etc will never pay a ton of money per play because they don't produce very much money per play
― iatee, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:02 (eleven years ago) link
^^^
they make all their money the same way most of the rest of the internet makes money - speculative investment, selling user data, etc. these sites aren't set up to generate revenue via content, content isn't worth anything anymore.
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
and it'll be outpaced by something else within a few years just like Rhapsody and eMusic were
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:05 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/PmuAUfB.gif
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:06 (eleven years ago) link
How are you going to outpace a huge music library that you, as a user, basically "rent" each month? Are they just going to download shit directly into our minds?
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:07 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure someone will think of something. and some venture capitalist will give them a lot of money to launch it, and make a shit-ton of money overvaluing its stock, then it will go public, people will kinda like it, then they'll get tired of it - rinse and repeat
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
How are you going to outpace a huge music library that you, as a user, basically "rent" each month?
Not to belabor the point, but this is basically the platform I've been waiting to see realized since the first time I ever read about it hypothetically in some magazine articles nearly 20 years ago.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
their library sucks imho
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
granted I am not the standard music consumer
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:16 (eleven years ago) link
They're missing some things, but they often have a lot of things I'd never have expected to be there (and new releases on labels of all sizes get added all the time). It's not all-encompassing, but neither is the torrent world or the used cd/vinyl market.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
I'll stick with the illegal way where I can always find what I want
― brimstead, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:26 (eleven years ago) link
what do you guys think of a quasi-kickstarter scheme where bands release songs if x amount of contributory funds are reached, after which point anyone can have it for free, because it's pointless trying to police copying anyway?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
the Lex argument of 'oh Spotify is worthless because it doesn't have every single fucking thing i could ever want to listen to' is so stupid. there's never been one-stop-shopping, there never will be, but as far as individual sources go it's about as good as it'll ever get. xp
― luaka boppa flame (some dude), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
I think ppl should just go back to buying music if they really like it. Not in mp3 format.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
whatever, I have no use for it xp
― brimstead, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
People listen to music in different ways. It's an amazing world.
It doesn't have a rather large percentage of what I want and I prefer to have mp3s anyway.
― kendrick delmar - good kid, f.U.C.k. you (The Reverend), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:35 (eleven years ago) link
In a perfect world, every artist would have a "Donate!" button on their website/Facebook/whatevs and I'd just download and listen to everything I wanted and whenever I was like, oh yeah this is great, I'd donate a couple bucks directly to the artist.
― Coke Opus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
yes let's make that happen!
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:47 (eleven years ago) link
iatee roaringly otm. I'll take a tenth of a penny over zero
― available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
shakey mo otm. i honestly think the best solution is government money for all self-declared artists (with the caveat that you have to write a twenty pager at the end of the year), but i'm not totally convinced it's within the realm of possibility.
xp well there's the real-world answer i guess
― administrator galina (Matt P), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
i thought that's how canada worked?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 01:15 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/02/copyright-propaganda-machine-gets-new-agent-your-isp
― j., Wednesday, 27 February 2013 08:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/02/music-sales-are-growing-for-the-first-time-this-century-heres-why/273512/
― j., Wednesday, 27 February 2013 08:59 (eleven years ago) link
wow there is a lot interesting in that article
LISTENING IN OUR OWN LANGUAGEThe music market is global. But popular music is still local. Even though all of the top ten global albums and nine of the top ten global singles of 2012 were in English, Europeans still seem to prefer songs in their own languages. More than 60 percent of the top albums in key European countries were artists from that country.
The music market is global. But popular music is still local. Even though all of the top ten global albums and nine of the top ten global singles of 2012 were in English, Europeans still seem to prefer songs in their own languages. More than 60 percent of the top albums in key European countries were artists from that country.
I find this reassuring
― available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 12:31 (eleven years ago) link