Don't go for second best, baby. Put your ILM ARTIST POLL #31: MADONNA to the test.

and not NOT including "Deeper and Deeper."

see also "Causing a Commotion"

For goodness' sake, why not just petition her to cover 4'33" while you're at it?

but I believe some of the edits were weird?

the edit of "4 minutes" that cuts the intro improves the song immeasurably even though it makes it, uh, 3 minutes.

Immaculate Collection is a crime against humanity. Those cut fades make me SO MAD. imo.

And what's with that piece-o'-shit mix of Into The Groove on IC? The whole point of the "You can dance..." intro is that it's spoken over the groove, DJ-style.

I fully admit that maybe I don't know any better, but that version sounds fine to me. Good, even! I am not a Madonna Scholar.

the first actual madonna thing i owned was the immaculate collection so i am intimately familiar with some of those mixes and edits even though i now realize they are abominations

that was me for a while -- I think I had a dubbed cassette of IC through college that I just used for parties or whatever, but once I got super into the albums, to the point where I had the fadeouts memorized, and then going back to the Immaculate Collection later on, I had full-on outrage that I hadn't noticed before, lol

Me too, only there was a long enough gap between me relying on it and rediscovering her that I don't notice the join. I could only point to the 'woo! yeah's on Like A Prayer as abominations.

I've always been obsessed with fadeouts, ever since I was a little kid and I would always strain to hear every part of the song even as it was getting quieter...and some of those madonna fadeouts I had memorized (I can't think of any off the top of my head ragh).

the immaculate collection was my entry point to pretty much everything pre-erotica and i fell in love with it all HARD

i now realise those versions are disasters and this whole experience proves, if anything, that those songs can withstand nuclear attacks

that's a good way of looking at it, lex

I've always been obsessed with fadeouts, ever since I was a little kid and I would always strain to hear every part of the song even as it was getting quieter...and some of those madonna fadeouts I had memorized (I can't think of any off the top of my head ragh).

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:46 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha do we have a thread about turning up the volume dial and listening closely on fadeouts? we really should

otm!

some of the Otis Redding fadeouts made me yell, like WAIT WAIT WAIT THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER PART OF THE SONG YOU'RE GONNA MISS noooooooooooooooooooo

people who grew up with immaculate collection are like people who grew up with the famous new order comp that i can't listen to cuz everything sounds so weird to me.

but Substance is awesome in its own right!

i can't listen to it. but that's just me. and my own nostalgia.

I grew up with both The Immaculate Collection and Substance. I love both to death

exactly. and i totally understand that.

has to be said the Substance 'Sub Culture' is a wretched thing compared to t Low Life one.

Assume Scott also prefers the original Temptation as well. Substance is great but does have flaws.

has to be said the Substance 'Sub Culture' is a wretched thing compared to t Low Life one.

I disagree with this so much. The original "Sub Culture" is one of the reasons why I can't listen to Low-Life

some of the Otis Redding fadeouts made me yell, like WAIT WAIT WAIT THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER PART OF THE SONG YOU'RE GONNA MISS noooooooooooooooooooo

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha OTM.

Always gotten the sense that once Dan decides he dislikes something he then goes into a cave somewhere and cuts up the bodies of small children with the song on loop for five hours just so he can preserve that negative reaction forever.

loool

"gambler" was my huge (re)discovery of this poll. i had probably heard it at some point but not so much that i was familiar with it, if i was doing a ballot now it'd prob make it.

(i could only find the extended dance mix, i assume the original is not hugely different?)

I can't help killing these kids,
I go deeper and deeper the more kids I kill.

My knife sinks deeper and deeper the harder I stab

Daddy couldn't be more wrong

I don't completely hate "Deeper and Deeper" as a song, I just really dislike the production choices aside from the one element Madonna insisted be there.

Shep Pettibone is a menace.

Not gonna let Shep get away.

what's "shep" even short for?

Sheptacular

otm

apparently "Robert"

I don't completely hate "Deeper and Deeper" as a song, I just really dislike the production choices aside from the one element Madonna insisted be there.

Shep Pettibone is a menace.

― Darth Icky (DJP), Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:18 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have to agree with Dan here. It's a great song! But it's not sheet music. It comes to my ears as sound and the sound of it is a wan hell of the wateriest, weakest aspects of digital synthesis. It sounds like its been copied on a mid-90s color photocopier ten times.

And I think a lot of Erotica sounds great.

i feel like the end of "Deeper And Deeper" is taunting me, like "yes, I placed higher than 'Vogue' but here's a reminder of how much better a song that is!"

I just don't like people telling me to "come on" anything.

i dunno, i followed the instructions of "Come On Eileen" and was pretty happy with the results

unless it's a husband, wife, or Quiet Riot.

I like how Shep basically took all of the things that made "Vogue" worked and then beat them into a bloody, misshapen pulp, almost like he was parodying himself

was he one of main innovators of that pumped up robotic dance sound of the C+C Music Factory era or did it all kind of just happen without too much influence from any one individual?

see also "get to it"

was he one of main innovators of that pumped up robotic dance sound of the C+C Music Factory era or did it all kind of just happen without too much influence from any one individual?

He was one of the main players at the time; I don't know if I would necessarily call him an innovator of that sound just because I don't know the trajectories of all of the producers of that era. He definitely was one of the first "multiple remixes on the single" people.

I mean, C+C themselves were produced by C+C: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clivill%C3%A9s_and_Cole_production_discography

before Madonna he was known for New Order-Pet Shop Boys remixes

C+C were definite innovators! shep not so much.

Steve "Silk" Hurley above all.

why do all these guys have dumb nicknames