No, they had a lot more. I've heard 'em.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link
28 songs on Mellon Collie, plus 21 Corgan or Iha songs that ended up being b-sides . Damn, that's enough songs for four full length albums!
But yeah, they needed an editor for this album. I always thought the second disc was much stronger than the first. I would take...
Cupid de Locke, Galpagos, and Porcelina off the first disc.
Thirty-Three, In the Arms of Sleep, 1979, Stumbeline, X.Y.U. (maybe), We Only Come Out at Night, Lily, By Starlight off of the second.
That comes out to about 52 minutes, and a much less rocking album. But to my ears at least, the more rocking Pumpkins songs are the ones that have dated the worst. The guitar histrionics don't really blow me away like they used to, and that's when Corgan tends to bust out his most embarassing lyrics. My version would come out closer to the mood of Adore, which is fine with me because I always liked Adore better than Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie or Gish.
― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
I haven't listened to either disc of this album in forever, however, I do often listen to a mix CD I made a few years back containing a short list of their longest, most overblown songs (which are invariably my favs) - "Porcelina..." and "Through The Eyes Of A Ruby" are included (as is my other favorite ginormous Punkins jam "Starla").
― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link
Thru The Eyes of a RubySomaSilverfuckStarlaPorcelina of the Vast Oceans
― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link
"(Aeroplane Over the Sea or something like that)"
Even better!
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link
this is, obviously, crazy talk.
if you do not concede that Siamese Dream's roar+bluster demolishes Adores faux-goth leanings and electronic feel, you, sir, are missing out on the whole sheebang.
"No, they had a lot more. I've heard 'em."happily, after all these years, i think i've heard a good amount of em, and have em in high quality (thank you Gravity Demos!!!! that thing slays me in many ways, but none as better {or as telling as where MCIS would go} as the indominateable 'Jackboot') which, ya know,i got that goin for me...
― edde (edde), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link
But Adore can never be the bad Smashing Pumpkins album because "Appels + Oranjes" PWNS PWNS PWNS
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:26 (seventeen years ago) link
I guess I am missing out of the traditional appeal of the Smashing Pumpkins. I do have to admit that I didn't start listening to music, not even radio, until early 1998, so except for hearing Bullet with Butterfly Wings blasting out of a car passing by, I have no idea what it felt like to listen to the music when it was contemporary. By the time I got around to listening to Siamese Dream around 2000, a lot of it already sounded dated to my ears.
If there were ever an album that needed trimming more than those off Mellon Collie, it's fucking Adore for those four yawnfest songs at the end.
Agreed, except for "For Martha". That's been one of my favorite Smashing Pumpkins songs since I first heard it.
― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Thursday, 12 October 2006 02:12 (seventeen years ago) link
Not sure how much it counts as mainstream rock, but Worlds Apart reminded me of this album quite a bit.
― lrsn (larssen), Thursday, 12 October 2006 07:00 (seventeen years ago) link
i almost feel bad for people who got into SP during MCIS, they missed the good part of their career (and many will say "there's a GOOD part?!"). after the whole JImmy Debacle, it was only downhill for them to me.
"Worlds Apart reminded me of this album quite a bit."a little, i guess. or maybe MCIS reminds me of Worlds's Apart (and quite possibly why i don't dig that album as much).
― edde (edde), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link
OTMsucked then, sucks now
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link
Ok maybe Ned or someone wld know this, but was Corgan a stan for Japan? I'm listening to "Fall in Love with Me" and it sounds like the mother source of half this album.
― existential eggs (Abbott), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Been a while since I heard said song so I'm giving a listen now -- good catch! I remember Corgan mostly talking about things like Joy Division, Bauhaus and the Cure when it comes to the goth/proto-goth stuff he loved most but this would make perfect sense as something else in the mix.
For those wondering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvxrfCm0I0s
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Glad you hear it too.
― existential eggs (Abbott), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link
The earlier Japan stuff is sometimes a blind spot for me so this is v. helpful (it's a bit like how I keep forgetting how good/weird/potentially inspiring Adam Ant's Dirk Wears White Sox is).
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link
I can't get into Japan's first two albums at all.
― existential eggs (Abbott), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link
ha that japan track. the round lead guitar tone + bratty vocals are v Pumpkins indeed
― harriet tubgirl (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
"Set The Ray to Jerry" is pretty Japan-ish, if I remember, in a more contemplative mode. One of two Smashing Pumpkins songs I remain nostalgic for (along with "Glynis").
― Soundslike, Thursday, 22 October 2009 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link
When it breaks down in the chorus it isn't as evident, but the verses on that Japan song Ned posted really does sound like Smashing Pumpkins.
― earlnash, Thursday, 22 October 2009 05:22 (fourteen years ago) link
anyone who hates "Zero" hates rock and roll imo
― babbylon falling (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 18 April 2010 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link
fuck you if you disagree
relax your vagina Curt1s
― Turangalila, Sunday, 18 April 2010 04:03 (fourteen years ago) link
THOSE FUCKING HARMONICS!!!
― babbylon falling (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 18 April 2010 04:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Hoo damn, "Porcelina," what a grower - - skipped the shit out of it when I first got this, seems like the best song on the album to me now.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 17 March 2011 06:51 (thirteen years ago) link
2nd behind Ruby which I was rocking earlier - long-form suited these guys
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 17 March 2011 07:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― Turangalila, Sunday, 18 April 2010 05:03 (10 months ago)
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
― babbylon falling (Curt1s Stephens), Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:45 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark
what i dislike about "Zero" is how little it rocks, has such a steady metronome feel and static guitar arrangement that only leaps out for a few seconds for that goofy solo, whereas most of SP's best aggressive uptempo songs really jump out of the speakers and swing and breathe
― some dude, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder if adults felt the same way about something like The Cure's Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me when it came out? There may be some similarities between them. Except that I'm drawn to The Cure's album, flaws and all, whereas even the supposedly strong moments on the Pumpkins album repelled me. I actually was able to listen to it all the way through for the first time recently when I was working on my 90s thing for the first time since it came out. 15+ years later, it doesn't give me hives anymore. Anyone else liked the Pumpkins through Siamese Dream, then hated them beyond reason, and came back round to grudging acceptance?
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 18 March 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
"Porcelina" has always been my favourite on that album along with "1979" and "Tonight Tonight".
A patchy album it is though. And obviously way too long.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Friday, 18 March 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Coincidentally I was just reading Jim DeRogatis' Milk It, and got to the chapter on his contentious relationship with Billy Corgan. He absolutely hates the lyrics of the first three albums, but was actually pretty positive about the music on Mellon Collie:
Corgan and James Iha stretch out on several fiery guitar workouts, covering the gamut from Tom Scholz-style studio perfection to Sonic Youth noise-rock skronk. The Pumpkins deftly swing from unapologetic art rock (the nine-minutes-plus "Porcelina of the vast Oceans" to pop metal in the Boston or Journey vein ("Tonight Tonight"), and from techno-industrial lullabies ("Beautiful") to twisted cow punk ("We Only Come Out at Night"). Brimming with hooks, the songs quickly work their way into your subconscious, making the album seem a lot shorter than it is...Musically, Mellon Collie solidifies Corgan's position as one of his generation's most ambitious songwriters--no one else in alternative rock's superstar stratum has attempted an album of such length, let alone scope, and it may even match The Wall in its sonic accomplishments. But his lyrics don't fare nearly as well in comparison. It may be too much to ask that Corgan be as poetic as Kurt Cobain or as earnest as Eddie Vedder, though his therapeutic self-examinations could at lest probe as deeply as Trent Reznor's. But while Waters's tale of the rock star Pink only reached the literary level of a comic book, "We don't need no education / We don't need no thought control" seems deeper, more universal, more entertaining--and heck, a lot more inspiring--than, "Living makes me sick / So sick I wish I'd die."
Musically, Mellon Collie solidifies Corgan's position as one of his generation's most ambitious songwriters--no one else in alternative rock's superstar stratum has attempted an album of such length, let alone scope, and it may even match The Wall in its sonic accomplishments. But his lyrics don't fare nearly as well in comparison. It may be too much to ask that Corgan be as poetic as Kurt Cobain or as earnest as Eddie Vedder, though his therapeutic self-examinations could at lest probe as deeply as Trent Reznor's. But while Waters's tale of the rock star Pink only reached the literary level of a comic book, "We don't need no education / We don't need no thought control" seems deeper, more universal, more entertaining--and heck, a lot more inspiring--than, "Living makes me sick / So sick I wish I'd die."
― Fastnbulbous, Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Crap production. Crap lyrics. Crap singing. Crap concept. Great album though.
― jesse is a girl's name, Saturday, 19 March 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Got reissue if you want it:
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MELLON COLLIE AND THE INFINITE SADNESS
DELUXE BOX SET:
– 5CD +DVD
– Physical Tracks: 106, Digital Tracks: 92
– Original album remastered for the first time
– 64 bonus tracks of previously unreleased material or alternate versions of Mellon Collie era songs
– DVD featuring live show filmed at the Brixton Academy, London (1996) and bonus performances from Rockpalast (1996)
– Housed in a 12 x 12 lift-top box with magnetic closure, reimagined cover art and velvet-lined disc holder
– 2 books containing personal notes, lyrics, new collage artwork plus a Decoupage kit for creating your own scenes from the Mellon Collie universe.
VINYL
– 4LP (180gram), Original album remastered for first time, 28 tracks
– Remastered vinyl features the original record spread out over 8 sides (4 LPS) for the first time to ensure the optimum sound
– MCIS never before released on vinyl in the US (original vinyl previously released in the UK)
– Housed in 12x12 rigid slipcase with 2 books containing personal notes, new collage artwork, lyrics and more.
2CD
- Original double album remastered for the first time
- Physical and Digital Tracks: 28
TRACKLISTS
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
Dawn To Dusk (CD1)
1. Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness
2. Tonight, Tonight
3. Jellybelly
4. Zero
5. Here Is No Why
6. Bullet With Butterfly Wings
7. To Forgive
8. An Ode To No One
9. Love
10. Cupid De Locke
11. Galapogos
12. Muzzle
13. Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans
14. Take Me Down
Twilight To Starlight (CD2)
1. Where Boys Fear To Tread
2. Bodies
3. Thirty-Three
4. In The Arms Of Sleep
5. 1979
6. Tales Of A Scorched Earth
7. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby
8. Stumbleine
9. X.Y.U.
10. We Only Come Out At Night
11. Beautiful
12. Lily (My One And Only)
13. By Starlight
14. Farewell And Goodnight
Morning Tea (CD3)
1. Tonight, Tonight (Strings Alone mix)
2. Methusela (Sadlands demo)
3. X.Y.U. (Take 11)
4. Zero (Synth mix)
5. Feelium (Sadlands demo)
6. Autumn Nocturne (Sadlands demo)
7. Beautiful (Loop version)
8. Ugly (Sadlands demo)
9. Ascending Guitars (Sadlands demo)
10. By Starlight (Flood rough)
11. Medellia Of The Gray Skies (Take 1)
12. Lover (Arrangement 1 demo)
13. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (Take 7)
14. In The Arms Of Sleep (Early Live demo)
15. Lily (My One And Only) (Sadlands demo)
16. 1979 (Sadlands demo)
17. Glamey Glamey (Sadlands demo)
18. Meladori Magpie
19. Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness (Home Piano version)
20. Galapagos (Instrumental/Sadlands demo)
21. To Forgive (Sadlands demo)
High Tea (CD4)
1. Bullet With Butterfly Wings (Sadlands demo)
2. Set The Ray To Jerry (Vocal Rough)
3. Thirty-Three (Sadlands demo)
4. Cupid De Locke (BT 2012 mix)
5. Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans (Live Studio rough)
6. Jellybelly (Instrumental/Pit mix 3)
7. The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)
8. Jupiter’s Lament (Barbershop version)
9. Bagpipes Drone (Sadlands demo)
10. Tonight, Tonight (Band Version Only, No Strings)
11. Knuckles (Studio outtake)
12. Pennies
13. Here Is No Why (Pumpkinland demo)
14. Blast (Fuzz version)
15. Towers Of Rabble (Live)
16. Rotten Apples
17. Fun Time (Sadlands demo)
18. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (Acoustic version)
19. Chinoise (Sadlands demo)
20. Speed
Special Tea (CD 5)
1. Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness (Nighttime version 1)
2. Galapagos (Sadlands demo)
3. Cherry (BT 2012 mix)
4. Love (Flood rough)
5. New Waver (Sadlands demo)
6. Fuck You (an ode to no one) (Production Master rough)
7. Isolation (BT 2012 mix)
8. Transformer (Early mix)
9. Dizzle (Sadlands demo)
10. Goodnight (Basic Vocal rough)
11. Eye (Soundworks demo)
12. Blank (Sadlands demo)
13. Beautiful (Instrumental-Middle 8)
14. My Blue Heaven (BT 2012 mix)
15. One And Two
16. Zoom (7 ips)
17. Pastichio Medley (Reversed extras)
18. Marquis In Spades (BT 2012 mix)
19. Tales Of A Scorched Earth (Guitar Overdub mix)
20. Tonite Reprise (Version 1)
21. Wishing You Were Real (Home demo)
22. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (Pit mix 3)
23. Phang (Sadlands demo)
DVD
Live at Brixton academy, London, 5/15/96
1. Tonight, Tonight
2. 1979
3. Zero
4. Here Is No Why
5. Thru the Eyes of Ruby
6. Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
7. Jellybelly
8. Silverfuck
9. Disarm
10. Bullet with Butterfly Wings
Live at Rockpalast, 4/7/96
11. Fuck You (An Ode To No One)
13. Cherub Rock
14. X.Y.U.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
well hey..!
― This Is... The Police (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
Release date early December.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
Remastered vinyl features the original record spread out over 8 sides (4 LPS) for the first time to ensure the optimum sound
hahahaha holy fuck, no way would i ever listen to this behemoth but that still sounds kinda awesome
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
that is some enticing looking bonus material. I don't know why they keep plopping b-sides in these, they should just compile them all in the same package and be done with it.but man, discs 3-5....just... damn. Full length "zoom"! And what on earth is "Pastichio Medley (Reversed extras)"?!
― blank, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 00:16 (eleven years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 00:18 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know why they keep plopping b-sides in these, they should just compile them all in the same package and be done with it.
well, they already compiled all the Mellon Collie singles once on the Aeroplane Flies High, plus there was Pisces Iscariot, so in a way i think it makes more sense to put the era appropriate b-sides in with the album reissues instead of collecting the b-sides in yet another distinct package.
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
Sure but why include any of them at all, so many full length pastichio medley numbers still missing ;_; Just feels weird to cherry pick em is all
― blank, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 00:50 (eleven years ago) link
i just want a Pistachio Medley box set, really
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 01:43 (eleven years ago) link
otm
― blank, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 05:32 (eleven years ago) link
It would be nice if they put the iTunes "rarities and bsides" thing out on cd. I think it took care of every bside and compilation track.
― blank, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.crestfallen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/MCIS_bundel1-300x300.jpg
so the reissue comes out next week
http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/store/mcis-reissue/#!/1753074LP is $75 ,uag
― black redhead (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 27 November 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
Mellon Collie? More like Smellin' Collie.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
when i hear drum rolls, i know i'm either about to cherub rock or watch pocahontas on disney+
― a morley steve vai bad horsie what? (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
those snare rolls during the second and third choruses of Here is No Why >>>>
great use of the Ab octave pumpkin chord in that part!
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
that song kicks so much ass
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
I haven't drummed in forever but I would love to attempt drumming 'Muzzle'. At least that first bit. I assume the logistics are a little something like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV5JOQyUYNg
― Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link
The drums on "Jellybelly" are maniacal.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 21:48 (three years ago) link
Years ago I had friends that put together a Pumpkins cover band for a benefit and I hung out at a bunch of their practices. Even just watching someone else try to learn Jimmy's parts brought me a whole new appreciation.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 21:57 (three years ago) link
did they try Jellybelly? lol
yeah even the "simple" parts are deceptively complex (like To Forgive, or even the straightforward electric version of Disarm where he comes in on the second verse)
― flappy bird, Thursday, 16 July 2020 00:16 (three years ago) link
tomorrow’s just an excuse away
― brimstead, Friday, 7 April 2023 21:50 (one year ago) link
my 6 yr old loves "an ode to no one"
― Heez, Saturday, 8 April 2023 02:32 (one year ago) link