the way he sings "you're going to make me lonesome" is the dreamiest imo
― horseshoe, Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
Some of the tunes on this I tend to like the bootleg series versions better. I really think there's just something very cramped-feeling about the record that makes it hard for me to stick with.
― charlie 4chan, internet detective (Hurting 2), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
Could be any of the songs on side 1 for me, but I'm going with "Girl," for this part quoted above:
WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWITHAPAINTHATSTOPSANDSTARTS
― New Authentic Everybootsy Collins (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah wonderful weirdo diction / intonation throughout. Always loved the wide gulf between Sessions "Idiot Wind" and the final version. Sessions version sung very properly / singer-songwritery; final version, dude can't keep from shouting all over the place, which sounds funny on those "arrrrrrrrrrr" rhymes.
― ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
the bootleg series version of Idiot Wind might be better, definitely casts the song in a less strident, more conflicted light:
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/7253080/Bob_Dylan_Idiot_Wind_Bootleg_Series_Vol_2
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
Idiot Wind w/o a second thought, though. All-time sneer moments at the ends of the verses ("can't heeeelp it if I'm lucky" / "sweeeeeeeet lady" / "blooooooood on your saddle" / "YOU'RE ON THE BOTTOM") + the slow bleed from unbridled hate parade -> sad vulnerability/complicity is perfect.
Love Tony Brown's work all over the album, too.
― ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
yes i love "sweeeeeeeet lady"
― horseshoe, Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't listened to this album in years. Thanks, thread.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
this is difficult tbqh
Dylan at the peak of his powers imo. miracles of vocal phrasing abound.
"tangled" is the obvious frontrunner and 100% worthy but "shelter" and "idiot wind" are close and "jack" deserves votes for the melodic turn on "lily had already taken all of the dye out of her hair" alone.
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
the "I'm complicit" stuff in Idiot Wind feels very unconvincing and cover-my-ass imo. I guess you could argue that that's just who the character of the speaker of the song is though, and that it's effective in that regard.
― charlie 4chan, internet detective (Hurting 2), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
I’ll look for you in old Honolulu, San Francisco, Ashtabula
― POSTOBON Naranja (soda), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
HONAHLULAH
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
this is a great record, i think Shelter from the Storm is my fave, but they're all great (even the lesser tracks like lily and meet me in the morning).
― tylerw, Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
Ashtabula
every time I hear this I think "that's not a real place, is it?"
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
or is he just saying ras tabula
I used to think it was wordplay on tabula rasa, still not sure it isn't.
― POSTOBON Naranja (soda), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
Wiki facts I never knew:
Prior to recording, and while details regarding his return to Columbia Records were being fleshed out, Dylan previewed the songs that would make up Blood on the Tracks to a number of friends and peers in the music world. According to biographer Jimmy McDonough, Dylan visited Neil Young in his home in Florida to showcase the songs on the album and seek out Young's opinion, and even run through some of the songs with Young's group Crazy Horse.[14] Dylan also previewed the songs to David Crosby, Graham Nash, Stephen Stills, Tim Drummond, and Peter Rowan.[15] Notably, Graham Nash recalled that Stephen Stills disliked Dylan's private performance of his new songs: immediately after Dylan left the room, Stills remarked to Nash, "He's a good songwriter...but he's no musician."
Would LOVE to hear these songs with Crazy Horse
― New Authentic Everybootsy Collins (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
haha that Stills nugget preserved in Shakey.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtabula,_Ohio
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
think even Dylan would agree
― Mark G, Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
i did always like the way he delivered "but I used a little too much force"
― charlie 4chan, internet detective (Hurting 2), Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:51 AM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark
same, he says it like its one word
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
The name Ashtabula comes from ashtepihəle, which means 'always enough fish to be shared around' in the Lenape language.
― POSTOBON Naranja (soda), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
key source for "buckets of rain"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVbRh2p1sbA
― tylerw, Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
haha yeah poor stills he comes off as the most pathetic aggro hippie salieri in a full length fur coat in Shakey
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
I never even got as far as objecting to mean Dylan with Idiot Wind -- something about the cadence and the shoutyness and look I'm queen of IA is anyone really that surprised that I find it annoying lol
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
also I've had this line in my head all morning
Kinda like VERLAINES and RimBAUD
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
anniNEVerDOgetYEWSt'it
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
isn't it RAM-BOH
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
well yeah
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
Would love to know what Tim Drummond thought.
― What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
would love to introduce a non-English speaker to this album to help with pronunciation
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
This and Murmur
― What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
lol Alfred
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
"Love is so simple"To quote a phRAAASE
― cougars and sneezers (Eazy), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
People talking about the singing being top-notch are otm. It's if during his vocal experiments with various types of bellowing and crooning he accidentally circled back to a version of his singing style on Highway 61/Blonde on Blonde, so you are getting overlapping Dylans, like an episode of Star Trek in which they go through an ion storm or The Gate on the Edge of Forever and end up interacting with their younger selves.
― What About The Half That's Never Been POLLed (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
whereas Street-Legal is his nadir as a vocalist.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
I really like the Rolling Thunder Revue version of Shelter From The Storm with the yelling and slide guitar etc., and the full-band, more country arrangement from the 90s that I think was posted here. I didn't like the album much, but that has to do with what a contrarian Dylan fan I am.Same here. That's one of my favorite Dylan vocals.
― Jazzbo, Thursday, 18 April 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
I ran into the fortune-teller, she said be-WARE of lightning that might STRYYYYAAIKI haven't known peace and quiet for so long I can't remember what it's LIYEEEEK
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 18 April 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
Maclaine and Rambo
― POSTOBON Naranja (soda), Thursday, 18 April 2013 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 April 2013 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
While we're doing phonetic spelling, I challenge anyone to render all the different pronunciations of "idiot."
ee-YEAAAH-dee-UHee-EEEEE-dee-yotyaaaAAAYYYyy-deee-at
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 18 April 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
you're an eeeeeeeH-DEE-yut babe
― POSTOBON Naranja (soda), Thursday, 18 April 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
I'd like that song better if he weren't idiot enough to make it go on so long.
― He has a lot of baggage (handlers' perks) (Michael White), Thursday, 18 April 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
rong it should never end
― horseshoe, Thursday, 18 April 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
something about the line "every time you move your teeth" is so terrifying to me--such a savage way to describe talking
― horseshoe, Thursday, 18 April 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
the 10min version of idiot wind on hard rain isn't as good as the bott version because it's more of a vicious cartoon and more like what the people itt who don't like the song hear in it, but it does have an incredible sarcastic intonation of AND IT MAKES ME FEEL SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SORRY which would prob be the definitive interpretation if it didn't flatten out all the emotional space. like, i prefer it when he is actually sorry. but sometimes.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 18 April 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
you guys are a lot nicer than I and maybe I am a psychopath is what this thread is teaching me. I love mean Dylan
― horseshoe, Thursday, 18 April 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
at the height of my mixtape days I never put any Dylan on the love song ones. He shows more solicitude, patience, and look-you-in-the-eye honesty when he's hating a woman.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
I really like his singing on 'Nashville Skyline'.
― He has a lot of baggage (handlers' perks) (Michael White), Thursday, 18 April 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
i think the sarcasm and meanness is present in the bott version too; it's just that amping them up crowds out what else is there. fun as it is. sara's supposed to be sitting in the front row at that concert too!
along the lines of breaking up on the docks that night: is the one-eyed undertaker blowing a futile horn or a feudal one, and does it make any difference
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 18 April 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link