Kelley Polar - Love Songs of The Hanging Gardens (Environ CD05)

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I can't wait until you're back here in the dark with me

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

you're making it sound good!

there's a fair bit of proselytizing going on here, it's true!

Surprises = most sexiest!

agree...and the sounds like metro area commentary is definitely spot on.

also, ronan, i get where you're coming from. i think this music is very insider-y stuff. it's may sound poppy, but it is not populist.

tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

it's very functional track music really, Metro Area, which is sort of unusual for how it actually sounds and the genre it seems to be in.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

by which I mean, I suppose I associate that idea and aesthetic with techno.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

more heart, soul, longing, joy, originality and thump

what if your not really looking for this in dance music?

or that youre specifically looking for pastiches of these elements, facsimiles?

the bits of this album i have heard, i wished things like the melodies and stuff were more obvious,like their chord progression. i wanted it to be more cheesy and lush. it breaks into a lush swell and then cuts it out. i finsd that with metro area stuff as well. in other music that tension can be exhilirating but weith this i find a little disappointing. but i havent heard it properly yet. and i lost patience with bleep about half way thru anyway.

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

ambrose, i think that is the only way i could enjoy it. although i'm not sure if i ever really got to the latter more sexier half of the album.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i think "caught up" by metro area is better than just about every dance track from the past five years. (incl "discopolis")

OTM!

I think the nay-sayers are severely underestimating the impact of the first four Metro Area releases, and the criticism that "it's always the same" is really unfair considering how much ground they've covered over the course of six records. Sure, there's a sonic "signature" there, but that has much more to do with a production aesthetic than any sort of compositional rut.

jeffery (jeffery), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

simply re-hashed sounds and structures milked from well-known songs produced 20-30 years ago

What songs exactly? While the references and feel are distinctly retro, or at least, refer to timelessly good stuff, I think that statement is a bit harsh.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

it's very functional track music really, Metro Area, which is sort of unusual for how it actually sounds and the genre it seems to be in.

Exactly, which brings us back around to the IDM question. My understanding of IDM is that one of its foundations is the ability to stay somewhat fuctional while exploring unconventional structures and/or aesthetics in the music. Metro Area, clearly not IDM, is very much functional music. The Kelley Polar record is also functional, though I don't really think the vocal variance nor layering of strings, etc. really make in any more unconventional than a Metro Area record. I'm hearing a little IDM in "Vocalise" and "My Beauty In The Moon", but otherwise not really.

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i think "caught up" by metro area is better than just about every dance track from the past five years. (incl "discopolis")
OTM!

I think the nay-sayers are severely underestimating the impact of the first four Metro Area releases, and the criticism that "it's always the same" is really unfair considering how much ground they've covered over the course of six records. Sure, there's a sonic "signature" there, but that has much more to do with a production aesthetic than any sort of compositional rut.

No, I agree that there was some valid impact with their initial releases, but the first part of this statement is absurd.

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Sure, there's a sonic "signature" there, but that has much more to do with a production aesthetic than any sort of compositional rut.

What songs exactly? While the references and feel are distinctly retro, or at least, refer to timelessly good stuff, I think that statement is a bit harsh.

Come on, guys- even The Rapture has the good sense not to use the cowbell in every single track.....

Clap-Clap!

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

And I'm by no means hating on Metro Area, or the Kelley Polar record. I'm just saying that we shouldn't all go pretending it's something that it's not...

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Come on, guys- even The Rapture has the good sense not to use the cowbell in every single track.....

http://www.jefferymac.com/images/1018599.gif

Fightin' words!

jeffery (jeffery), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

what's wrong with clap-clap? It's a staple of 80% of my favorite dance songs, and Metro Area brought it back, and still use it with grace and panache!

And you are way under-appreciating the amount of care and attention they put into the production, compared to most dance music made these days. Remember when it was shocking to hear a live instrument on a dance record?

oh shit I'm listening to caught up right now and will ferrel is just about hitting the cowbell on beat. close enough to be funny anyway. I'm sure it works with anything...try it.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I think ambrose is pretty OTM - apart from the key singles Metro Area could have afforded to be a lot more lush, and if I could change the Kelley Polar album it would be to make it even more lush and obvious.

(heightened lushness and obviousness being among the key achievements of Get Physical's earlier, more discoid efforts vis a vis Metro Area)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

not being familiar with Get Physical so I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "lush" but I think it's important to remember that those guys come to Disco from house and techno backgrounds, and I think the space and minimalism is more key then "lushness".

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 04:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Is "lush" really a term that applies to Get Physical? I dont really have any of their music outside of the two CD comps, but I can't think of more than a few of those tracks that would come anywhere close to lush. Deep, sure. Rich, definitely. Lush seems a little more light and airy than anything Ive heard them put out.

But semantics aside, Tim, are you suggesting the record would benefit from more Metro Area, or less of it?

jsoulja (jsoulja), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 04:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i am surprised by tim's comment on lushness. i consider get physical (except for "i don't know" and "time out" and probably a few others) to be on the whole less lush than metro area. i agree about the obviousness of GP.

one of my favorite things about metro area is the way they capture what is to me a kind of urban american street vibe, an urbanity that is not so polished, but still very pretty: multicultural, multiracial, multisexual, gritty, vacant, wide streets with buildings so high they obscure the sun during the daytime so it's perpetual twilight (the streets are like tunnels you can get lost in), anonymity, trash and sleaze, glitz, hardness, tighly knit patchwork neighborhoods, all of the people down or up on their luck, flustered eye contact on the subway, graffiti, men and women in suits, kids in the street everywhere, the guys selling drugs on the corner next to the homeless dude with one shoe, the rivers and bridges and the ocean, endless traffic and noise, a kind of hopeful sadness, the pressure of all of those other souls around you, the masks people wear, the madness and rush of modern capitalist culture, the release of nighttime...

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

there really was no other way to describe it other than making that list.

also, scratch "time out" and replace it with "freemind"

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 05:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i laways found this album very sexy, even though i did not pay attention to the lyrics (as usual since english is not my mother tongue).
I think the texture of the sound and teh beats is really interesting : it's at the exact center-point between soft and hard. Like a waterbed that's really full : you bounce but not too high, it's hard but never hurting. The song is elastic but very taut at the same time.
I think this gives a welcoming feeling but we have to stay cautious, i guess this makes the album quite sexy...

Arnault (arc73hk), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 08:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Like a waterbed

Ha! Yes.

are you suggesting the record would benefit from more Metro Area, or less of it?

Wouldn't that be the the three Quartet 12-inches? (which I really don't feel as much as the album. But then Ronan really nailed my feelings re. Metro Area.)

On a more practical level: why oh why no vinyl version? It's perfect for an old-school two side pop-LP, Cupid & Psyche '05. Jeezzzz.

and yes: I like Herbie Hancock.

Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I love both Herbie Hancock and Steely Dan and prefer Nirvana over Sponge, so there's really no point in debating with the people in this thread who feel otherwise.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

When I said Get Physical I meant stuff like "Philly", "Freemind", "Take Me Home", "Our World (Our Music)" - the tracks which use the Metro Area disco groove but then pile more (usually electro synth) layers on top.

Obviously not stuff like "Time Out" or "Mandarine Girl" or "Jah"...

Justus Kohncke and then the whole Lindstrom "space disco" axis are other obvious "metro area but maximalist" practitioners - has anyone noticed how "Kreig" is Kohncke's obvious (and awesome) Lindstrom nod in the same way that "Station 17" was his obvious Metro Area nod?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 1 December 2005 06:56 (eighteen years ago) link

surprised its taken this long for lindstrom to be mentioned - i was gonna ask if the l&pt lp was broken techno/idm too, but didnt feel like arguing with anyone

jermaine (jnoble), Thursday, 1 December 2005 09:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess it's time for me to come out the closet :
Lindstrom = boring IMHO.
And the Annie remix, or the Knack remix should I say, is about the worse thing I have heard this year.
But then, maybe it's the Geir inside me (ha ha) that makes me prefer melodic stuff like Kelley Polar to tracky stuff like Lindstrom...

snowballing (snowballing), Thursday, 1 December 2005 09:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I like 'My Beauty In The Moon' - though I think it loses itself a little at the end.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 1 December 2005 10:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe Polar should cover Inner Dialogue.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 1 December 2005 10:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Lindstrom = boring IMHO.

I'm with you on this one.

Omar (Omar), Thursday, 1 December 2005 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Mildly enjoyable but not quite boring to me.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 1 December 2005 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Having said that, Prins Thomas 'Goettsching' is the shiznizz.

Omar (Omar), Thursday, 1 December 2005 12:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Lindstrom & Prins Thomas - I've lost confidence in them and regained it a couple of times. but in general i think i like the prins thomas side of things more. It does seem weird how they put out these kinda crazy tracks alongside really boring go nowhere predictable why are they doing this ones.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

love the Lindstrom remix of "Tribulations", esp. when the vocal strobes and the big Moroder bassline comes in.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

kelley polar = IDM

lindstrom + prins thomas = freak-folk

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

(ie lindstrom + prins thomas share the pretensions of a devendra banhart type)

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

also how come the danny wang reissue didn't get 400 posts? sorry kelley, but "idealism" absolutely slays "the hanging gardens..."

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

not that it's a contest or anything

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

and massive xpost to ronan

please, tell me you can understand the difference between "tired of the relentless Soul Jazz Records compilation machine" and "devoted fan of Soul and Jazz records".

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i feel things heating up here.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i have resisted bringing up daniel wang many times in this thread. those early balihu singles are awesome and when i first heard idealism it was a massive WTF moment (in a good way) (and then i worked backwards). very underground...

tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the singing on Love Songs more then Idealism.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

about the lindstrom-freakfolk connection...their summervibes mix really stresses it, lotsa metro area discoey goodness back to back with synthy guitarstrumming 70s singersongwriter stuff

manuel (manuel), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

that sounds nice.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

when that fleetwood mac track comes in on their beatsinspace mix, it is super nice.

tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Was Idealism reissued? The only copies I've ever seen looked like bootlegs put together by five yr olds on sale for like $35 US (i.e. in a Theo Parrish style)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

ahhhh fleetwood mac!! they totally draw from fleetwood mac all the time. do they actually sample a track of theirs? they really have a way with fleetwood-seriuosly.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

lindstrom-freakfolk Is this supposed to be a put down?

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

do they actually sample a track of theirs?

not that i know of. the tune they play in the BIS mix is "world turning" and it's awesome.

lindstrom-freakfolk Is this supposed to be a put down?

i didn't read it that way...

yep, tim, idealism> was reissued. recently, i think, too.

tricky (disco stu), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

lindstrom-freakfolk Is this supposed to be a put down?
-- Jacobs (lolvalstei...), December 2nd, 2005.

nope.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

The Idealism reissue came out August, IIRC, as Idealism 2005, with some new tracks and some of the old ones remastered and reworked a bit. Environ say it's limited, though I don't know how limited as it's still easy to find.

telephone thing, Friday, 2 December 2005 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

That's good, I had not thought of Lindstrom & Prins Thomas in that context, but it's an interesting one, esp. their album.

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 2 December 2005 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link


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