― Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link
yeah one guy was dancing and digging the rhythm, so was I, but the version on spotlight kid was just horrible in comparison.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 12:48 (twenty years ago) link
Mind you, apart from Mirror Man, I haven't bought another Beefheart album since. And that was nearly twenty years ago.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 12:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 12:54 (twenty years ago) link
There's a stunning version of "I'm Going To Booglarize You Baby" from the same show that you can download here.
I'm afraid actual live boots from the 60's and 70's seem to be few and far between - I suspect because there are so many later recordings with so much better sound quality.
There are plenty of tapes about 'though....
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 12:56 (twenty years ago) link
Was there a video of "Diddy wah diddy" set on a beach?
Or am I vibing again?
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago) link
I think the documententary makers must have got the clip they used from some private source 'though 'cos I'm not aware of the whole thing being in circulation.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 13:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:30 (twenty years ago) link
Though Zoot Horn Rollo's licks are certainly nothin to sneeze at either.
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 11 March 2004 06:21 (twenty years ago) link
My story with this album, right there, though I did buy the CD used rather than taping it.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 March 2004 06:28 (twenty years ago) link
I'll join the line of folks who can't understand 'not connecting' with TMR - it certainly blew my mind when I first heard it. And I still listen to it regularly (that, and The Mirror Man Sessions.
I suspect I'd play more Beefheart if I owned more on CD - vinyl is often such a chore. But yeah, fuck it - classicclassicclassic
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 11 March 2004 07:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Thursday, 11 March 2004 07:30 (twenty years ago) link
Fantastic gtrs, absolutely. It's always slightly annoyed me that I don't know which guitarist plays which part. I know Rollo played a Telecaster; so if I only knew what brand of guitar Jeff Cotton played...I STILL wouldn't be sure! (Can't differentiate between "glass finger" and "steel appendage" guitar...)
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 11 March 2004 07:36 (twenty years ago) link
Thats a nice story, but I don't find it dated (whatever that means). I guess I loose you when Sonic Youth comes in, while I enjoy them I never understood the idea that they just blew guitar music apart or redefined it or whatever they were supposed to do.
I liked this right away, the only album I've heard from the Cap'n so I have nothing to compare it to. Eventually I'll get the others once I am not poor. The guitars are so scraggily, the spoken word/field recordings so absurd, the imagery is fantastic, TMR is it's own universe, an end to itself, while somehow fitting into the blues-based garage-rock what-ever tradition, albeit as somekind of mutant or abberation. It sounds old-timey and new-futurey at the same time. It doesn't sound dated, still, to me, it sounds other-worldly (or alternate-dimension-ly). So, so classic and I am going to listen to it after Futurama is over. (and if you have any drugs do those before listening to it obv.)
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 11 March 2004 07:47 (twenty years ago) link
Other methods I've used to try getting into music I find difficult: randomizing the song order, listening to it in a different environment and/or eating delicious beef jerky while listening to the music on headphones.
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 11 March 2004 08:02 (twenty years ago) link
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 11 March 2004 08:07 (twenty years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 March 2004 10:52 (twenty years ago) link
Has the album yet been recorded that doesn't sound at very least tolerable while drinking a bottle of ice cold vodka on a warm afternoon?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 11 March 2004 10:57 (twenty years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 March 2004 11:01 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 11 March 2004 11:04 (twenty years ago) link
― lovebug starski, Thursday, 11 March 2004 11:15 (twenty years ago) link
They did? News to me.
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 11 March 2004 11:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 11 March 2004 13:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 11 March 2004 14:24 (twenty years ago) link
If you hear the "outtakes" on the Grow Fins box (actually the fruits of an abortive first attempt at recording the album at the house where they were rehearsing), it's often hard to believe they aren't the recorded versions with the vocal track turned off, the playing is that precise.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 11 March 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago) link
The ones that aren't there on Grow Fins, are the ones recorded in Zappa's proper studio.
Plus "The Blimp" (which I always wondered about, as it sounds completely different musically to the rest of the album) was the Mothers not the Magic Band anyhow.
But you knew that...
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 11 March 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link
That's a good point. I guess I'm being unfair to Cotton by assuming that the best licks are Rollo's. If you read his book Lunar Notes, he gives a song-by-song account of the records he played on, which should help in sorting out who played which parts.
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 March 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link
Urban myth I'm afraid - they did try to record it in the house but gave up and went into the studio - very few bits of what was recorded in the house (mainly speaking bits etc. and one of the Hair Pie's IIRC) were actually used on the album.
Also 3 tracks that were used on the album (Moonlight On Vermont is definitely one of them, can't remember what the others were) were actually from an earlier demo session before they moved into the house at and have either Jerry Handley or Gary "Magic" Marker on bass rather than Mark Boston! "Plus "The Blimp" (which I always wondered about, as it sounds completely different musically to the rest of the album) was the Mothers not the Magic Band anyhow."
That's right - although bizarrely it was actually Art Tripp and Roy Estrada who were playing, both of whom subsequently ended up in The Magic Band. I've got a couple of tapes with them playing it live!
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 11 March 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 11 March 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 11 March 2004 17:34 (twenty years ago) link
Where should I go from here? Decals? (For what it's worth, I'm more of a Tom Waits fan than a Zappa fan [these are the best comaprisons i can think of].) I think I confused Beefheart and King Crimson back when I was in uni and so my abstract catalogue know-how is all mixed up.
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 09:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 09:01 (eighteen years ago) link
Can you think of any meaty posts - or good 500-1000wd reviews - I could read online about this here thing? I'm curious about what's been said on the record, but don't really feel like reading a Beefheart book at this point.
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 09:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 09:13 (eighteen years ago) link
reviews archive. lester bangs etc.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 09:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― haitch (haitch), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 10:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago) link
Of course, TMR will sound positively lush and pleasant to anybody whose daily listening includes the Boredoms or Merzbow or whatever other racket is coming out of Japan these days (this being 2006 and all.)
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link
Ah, the expressive fallacy. This is pretty much why I don't like Lester Bangs, even though I like some of his writing.
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:33 (eighteen years ago) link
http://cookham.blogspot.com/
― The Shyster, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link
I really think "TMR" and that music is as much French as anyone--he's what makes it all happen. he saw how stiff Don was, really, and being a good Christian he decided to give him his head...
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 15 April 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 15 April 2006 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 15 April 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 15 April 2006 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Sunday, 16 April 2006 08:48 (eighteen years ago) link
http://ajournalofmusicalthings.com/captain-beefhearts-trout-mask-replica-album-amazing-hard-listen/
― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 08:55 (six years ago) link
Meh
― Anne Git Yorgun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 December 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
nobody "really wants to like" metal machine music
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 11 December 2017 02:01 (six years ago) link