Indie kids hate emo kids, right?

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (340 of them)
but seriously... the dag nasty remasters are pretty grrrrrrrrrreat... esp. in light of all the RITES OF SPRING revivalism.

gygax!, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:52 (twenty-one years ago) link


troll
1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook. 3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.

The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a followup to troll postings.

-- The Jargon File

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess, :)

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess' article not online = emo guilt.

gygax!, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 00:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I dont think the thread in whole was troll-baiting. Just because it's controversial debate doesnt make it troll-baiting.

Also, you said something about not knowing the historical context. First off, since this was about emo-kids, the historical context doesnt really matter. Do you think any modern day whiney teen listening to Saves the Day, has any clue about the post-Minor Threat DC movement of the mid-80s? Thats what Im considering emo (even though I dont particularly like the old emo either). And why not? If emo-kids call it emo, then it's emo. And if not, if its something else, well, its still crap. Crap that eminated towards a shift-to-crap in the mid-80s.

David Allen, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 00:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

i will have emo guilt until that article is up, yes!

(tom sez this week.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 00:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jess: soulseek if you want. The remixes will sound better, and will have some rare material = YOU ARE ALREADY MY BITCH.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 08:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

what's emo?

michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 09:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

er, that's besides 'a shit genre title'.

michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 09:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was more of an Orville and Cuddles kid myself...

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

i thought that emo was a subset of indie. i don't hate either of those categories. i hate people who think that everyone else is conforming except for them. i still don't know what "emo" is really, we don't have emos in nz. we have indie kids. they are mimsy.

di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 17 October 2002 03:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

"We play both kinds of music -- country and western."

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 17 October 2002 04:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

hahahahahah... .best quote ever


EVERYONE PLEASE GO READ FOURFA.COM

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 17 October 2002 12:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

...AND THEN FORGET WHAT YOU READ, 'CAUSE IT'S WRONG.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 17 October 2002 12:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

EVERYONE PLEASE GO READ FOURFA.COM
Post a link and we will. "Fourfa.com" doesn't exist.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.fourfa.com/

gygax!, Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

in particular, this page is pretty much right on.

gygax!, Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanx

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

i just remembered a review from maximumrnr back in the day that put me off the hated for a long time because he described them playing gilman st. without their shoes on like dirty hippies.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 October 2002 14:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

They cover "I Am A Rock" = they are hippies.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 October 2002 14:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

And they are DIRRRRRRTAY.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 October 2002 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
(Like Xtina.)

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the idea that the obvious response slowly worked its way through Colin's brain, taking its time, knowing it could afford to meander while everything else in his cranium hummed along at its quick speed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Like Xtina.)

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Indiana Kids hat Emodelphia Kids, fucking hell, looks like I'll have to cancel my vacation. Again.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

colin i never did download then. so your piddling .11 on the dollar is safe.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fourfa.com is biased towards California.

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Monday, 10 February 2003 19:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

The name always used to confuse me, and I wondered if it was a knowing wink to the awkwardness of the bands. I thought this because I imagined it was somehow connected to Emo Phillips! No such luck, like the music, the explanation was VERY po-faced it just meant EMOtional hardcore. I still prefer my version however.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 10 February 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hate is bad. Love is good.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Everybody hates emo kids, i thought.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 February 2003 22:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hate is bad. Love is good.

You love Billy Corgan now? Aw, sweet!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 February 2003 23:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey! I didn't say Hate is Bad Love Is God Cupid Ride My Arrow To The Empty Hole I Find Hither (wanky guitar solo).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 February 2003 23:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah, heaven.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 February 2003 23:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

on i slightly different note,this summer is saw dude who made fourfa.com's band, funeral diner. very good. very "emo"

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

See, the only this-thread-relevant bands I like could comfortably pass as either indie or emo.... No Knife for example.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Funeral Diner is pretty decent... thy really don't have many bands that sound like them. And they're Ex - Portraits of Past

PoP is fucking brilliant; I think the vocalist is in jail for running a meth lab that poisoned his kid.

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

speaking of emo kids - i've been fascinated for ages by the whole willful infantilization thing that accompanies emo (and to a certain extent indie) culture - eg, hoards of mid-20-somethings who still call themselves "kids," talk about "making out" (cf makeoutclub.com) - when was the last time an emo kid just had sex, fer crying out loud?

anyway, a few years ago i read a HIGH-larious bit online about emo that broke down all the childhood tropes that define the (ahem) lifestyle. for the life of me i can't remember where i read this. anyone got a link?

(sorry for the lack of detail. i lost memory headbanging to universal order of armaggedon, all those years ago.)

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 02:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/indiekids.html

?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 03:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

EMO KIDS HAVING SEX DOES NOT COMPUTE AND IS HORRIFYING IN MY MIND!

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 05:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

five months pass...
I am pretty much an emo kid...sweater vests and thrift-store and all...but I tend to lean torwards the new stuff like Jimmy Eat World and Further Seems Forever, not the ones forementioned...

...and I have sex.

Me.

Buddy Holly, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

i must not be emo because i'm not having any sex

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

You have sex with sand mermaids, Buddy?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

Just think of the bondage fun you can have with those wallet chains.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 12:05 (twenty years ago) link

Indie kids hate emo kids because all indie kids are thirty years old and are jealous of the emo kids' youth or something like that

Ben Dot, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

but i SO want to sleep with some of those emo girls!

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

since there is an obvious disparity between the original emo bands and what's considered emo nowadays, why is it that this new style was never dubbed 'post-emo'?

praying mantis (praying mantis), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

My roommate last year did this project for school where she had a big folding mirror thing. Like, three feet long, two feet high. And folded like one of those dressing shield things in old movies. She photocopied Alkaline Trio lyrics onto overhead sheets. Transparent pieces of plastic. And glued them to the mirror and there were some diagramy sort of clip art things, too.

She drew on our windows with the Crayola markers that you can draw on the windows with and erase easily. Themed for the holiday or the season. A heart one, a snowy one, a Christmas one.

She left Safeway bags in the shower. All the time. Everyday I'd go in and have to pick a Safeway bag of cold water off of the bottom of the shower. She had dreadlocks. She didn't want her hair to get wet, I guess. She put the bag over her head. And she put on the wax while we were watching TV.

She said she hated the Ramones and that she started liking rap after she saw Eight Mile and when her friend came over they listened to Eminem and drank bottles of beer and kept saying stuff like, 'Oh my God! I can't believe I used to like this! Ha ha ha!' because they were so smart and -- listen -- she had this stupid, stupid plan to start a band and they had all of these stupid plans -- it won't sound good with me describing it but when I remembered it just now, I felt angry and -- they had this plan where they would slowly remove instruments from the stage and, man, it was so, so stupid and they just went on and on.

I forget exactly what she wrote in her diary about me. It was because I wrote stuff on the mirror when it was fogged up. When I was standing there, right after I got out of the shower. You write things on the mirror. I don't know what. And when it fogged up again the writing was there again and she thought it was a ghost and I overheard her discussing it with the other girl who lived there and Amanda was saying how the house was haunted. And then she wrote in her diary that she thought it was me who had written something on the mirror and that I was creepy. Tat's the exact word she used, even: 'creepy.' She wrote something like, 'Is it normal to write stuff on mirrors?'

She had a poster of George Bush on her door with all the mis-saying that he'd said. When we watched TV together and we saw George Bush she'd always have to say something about how he looked stupid and evil.

She left the book right out on the couch, too. A stupid orange book with a sun that she wrote in with stupid kid pens.

The guy from Filmmaker got drunk at our house once while I was hiding in my bedroom playing Minesweeper and listening to Ashanti.

She ate a plastic carton of strawberries I had in the fridge.

She had a toque with ears on it.

I have some weird pictures of her underwear. I will upload them.

d k (d k), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

There you go.

d k (d k), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

dk you had me until the photos.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

Oh my, please don't click on that people.

JMMMMM, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

I think the real question is whether Yindies hate Yemos

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 13 May 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

goth kids be all like dis...........


punk kids be all like dis.......

fank you apollo!!

jonathon, Saturday, 13 May 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I feel like a mother whose children don't get along. :(

You shouldn't have abandoned them! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 May 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

EMO KIDS ARE REALLY JUST THE SAME AS INDIE KIDS I.E. THE MUSIC THEY LISTEN TOO. EMO ARE MORE INTO THE HARDCORE MUSIC.
SAME CAN GO FOR 'SCENE KIDS' TOO. SCENE KIDS FOCUS MORE ON THE FASHION SIDE WITH MUSIC AND THEY ARE MORE CREATIVE & ARTY WHERE AS EMO KIDS ARE MORE INTO THE HEAVIER SOUNDS I.E. SCREAMO/EMO/PUNK ETC...
SCENE KIDS LISTEN TO A *WIDE RANGE* OF MUSIC SUCH AS SCREAMO/INDIE/PUNK ROCK/EMO ETC...
INDIE KIDS LISTEN TO INDIE MUSIC BUT I WON'T SAY THEY HATE EACHOTHER.
I HAVE MY 'INDIE' AND 'EMO' DAYS IF YOU LIKE TO CALL THAT :S
I DON'T REALLY BELONG TO A CERTAIN GROUP TO BE HONEST.
I LISTEN TO EVERYTHING....THAT MAKE ME SCENE RIGHT?
EMO, SCENE AND INDIE KIDS ARE MORE BASICALLY ALL THE SAME ESPECIALLY THE WAY THEY DRESS I.E. SKINNY DRAINPIPES, SKINNY CLOTHING, VANS & CONVERSE BOOTS ETC... EVERYTHING ALL THESE 'GROUPS' WEAR ARE SIMILAR SO REALLY THEY ARE THE SAME IN MY OPINION...

EMO INDIE SCENE ALL IN ONE, Sunday, 21 May 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I just found a new username (not really)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 21 May 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

SCENE KIDS LISTEN TO A *WIDE RANGE* OF MUSIC SUCH AS SCREAMO/INDIE/PUNK ROCK/EMO ETC...

like murderinging (modestmickey), Sunday, 21 May 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

you people have serious issues... LEAVE emo kids alone... LEAVE indie kids alone... LEAVE everyone alone...if you want to hate someone..hate yourselves for being such imature judgers :|

Ex_Mortem (Ex_mortem), Monday, 29 May 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Right, simply put, Emo shouldnt even be a genre AT ALL, its a style now, theres kids who dress 'emo' (in aust, we see them as black and red blurs with combovers) and listen to fuckin' pop and rap and all sorts of stuff, and then theres people who wear colours and slit there wrists while crying to simple plan, what the hell? I don't hate any of them, let em be if they enjoy it, but what pisses me off is the people that call everybody who wears black, or has a taste in 'heavy' music emo, eg.

I'm a metalhead, i listen to heavy metal, death metal, i wear black, because i feel most comfortable in black, am i emo? Do i slit my wrists? no on both counts. I mean who the fuck calls Iron Maiden EMO?
There is the other type of metal as well, with 'growling' vocals, now people who get SCREAMO confused with growling vocals are just dumb, because growling has been around for decades, and it sounds nothing like the screamo stuff today,

A lesson in history for all of you,
first up, Iron maidens 'number of the beast' has a massive scream after the first few lines, is that screamo? NO. is that emo? NO.

The term 'emo' or 'emotionaly hardcore' actually came from bands in the 70s\80s who would break down and cry on stage in the middle of songs, THATS where it came from, not some 2002 generation 'i hate my life so i'll slit my wrists' shit.

End.

relay3r, Monday, 29 May 2006 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.