Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

i was gonna say faye but he actually plays for senegal.

Makelele, Viera... Dioufy, it would be magnificent.

Jean-Alain Boumsong (born November 14, 1979, in Douala, Cameroon)
Lilian Thuram (born Ruddy Lilian Thuram-Ulien, January 1, 1972 in Pointe-à-Pitre, Guadeloupe
Pascal Chimbonda (born 21 February 1979 in Les Abymes, Guadeloupe)

Franck Ribery (born March 13, 1831 in Notre Dame, Paris)

Ha ha

Thuram, Guadeloupe. Malouda, French Guiana. Etc etc etc.

Guadeloupe and French Guiana are both French departments. But OK, I was very very wrong on the "born in France" thing. Less wrong on the "brought up in France" aspect though I think. They're culturally more French than Senegalese or whatever. When you hear them speak, they speak with a French accent and not with an African one.

And where did anyone say "Americans, Australians, and Brazilians are all awful people"?

I'm aware that Guadeloupe is a department. It's a long fucking drive from Biarritz tho.

I have no idea if he's a racist or not - but he did the smart thing in getting out of England. It's a shithole full of angry, repressed, frustrated, alcoholic, ill-educated people crammed on to part of a tiny island. Give me the US, Australia, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, or Scotland any day.
And where did anyone say "Americans, Australians, and Brazilians are all awful people"?

-- Emily S., Thursday, 29 November 2007 00:54 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^this is true except Americans, Australians, and Brazilians are all awful people

-- Dom Passantino, jeudi 29 novembre 2007 02:05 (11 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Woops, that came out wrong.

Guadeloupe and French Guiana are both French departments.

this nonsense started with you responding to a post i made that said this.

Ah! I'm not paying attention! (xxp)

Yeah, but he went to France to post that.

xxxxxpost ah forget it.

Ban Zelda Zonk and Raymond Domenech

I'm aware that Guadeloupe is a department. It's a long fucking drive from Biarritz tho.

Guadeloupians do tend to take offense when people consider them non-French though!

Anyway football is hardly a subject I know much about, even less so French football, so I hereby withdraw whatever inane comments about it I've made on this thread.

Anyway football immigration is hardly a subject I know much about, even less so French football English immigration, so I hereby withdraw whatever inane comments about it I've made on this thread NME interview.

-- Zelda Zonk Morrissey, Thursday, 29 November 2007 12:24 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

In my country, immigrants are diluting our culture. For the better.

Please pass judgement on me asap, kthx.

-- King Boy Pato, Thursday, 29 November 2007 10:43 (2 hours ago)

OTM, and the crux.

Oh, I wasn't really making a serious point about what the NME says Morrissey said.

I was only speaking the truth, bruv.

It's a better publicity stunt than trying to get the Sex Pistols to number one.

Oh, I wasn't really making a serious point about what the NME says Morrissey said.

I was only speaking the truth, bruv.

-- King Boy Pato, Thursday, 29 November 2007 13:11 (16 minutes ago)

The interview basically says the same thing though. People pick on 'dilution of a culture that Moz identifies with' as if Morrissey's saying 'this shouldn't be allowed to happen'.

Some of the best things about living in England are associated with the social change, and the cultural syntheses that occur due to this.

Some of the best things about living in England are associated with the social change, and the cultural syntheses that occur due to this.

But, not living in England, Morrissey wouldn't know this

But he reads the NME. He said he got their 'Whiteboys against Racism' issue.

I knew he was out of touch but I didn't realise he was that out of touch. Mind you, he probably gets it and wonders where all the Roy Carr and Max Bell features are.

Some of the best things about living in England are associated with the social change, and the cultural syntheses that occur due to this.

Out of interest, what examples would you give?

Phineas Fogg's Tortilla Chips.

Everything.

Nice cup of tea.

Eastern European prostitutes

Wagamama's

Some of the best things about living in England are associated with the social change, and the cultural syntheses that occur due to this.

Out of interest, what examples would you give?

-- blueski, Thursday, 29 November 2007 13:39 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Really fucking hardcore Polish spirit being in a shop 1 minute from my house

Acid-jazz

Loads of delis

Starbucks

vietnamese pork pies

But srsly, everything. Food, music, yo mama.

And don't forget the consternation of bigots

I think Morrissey just left because he was fed up with no-one in this country being able to given serious answers to a question!

i love valourizing historical shifts

xpost

No, I think it was because he's a big fat racist.

but y'know, serious answer: the nhs

I think Morrissey just left because he was fed up with no-one in this country being able to given serious answers to a question! giving a fuck what some washed-up reactionary old queen has to say about anything anymore

If only had Morrissey had Ed and Tracer Hand to show him around the Thai charcuteries that are on every street corner in the country these days, maybe he wouldn't hate so much.

Oops:

I think Morrissey just left because he was fed up with no-one in this country being able to given serious answers to a question! giving a fuck what some washed-up reactionary old queen has to say about anything anymore

lol Gordon Brown joke

xp
I was serious.

I knew 'food/drink' and 'music' would be the top two. Service and Entertainment.

Re food what's happened is a great expansion of range of options to eat out, but at the indirect expense of preserving or restoring any idea of native (for want of better word) food culture? Specious maybe but I was wondering earlier if visitors to the UK 50 years ago had quite the same attitude or stereotype in mind of British food (whatever this is) as they do now. Chains are a much bigger problem in this regard tho (plus should be noted that chain outlet staff are almost always recent immigrants now).

but y'know, serious answer: the nhs

is right but then you might still wonder how you get into the position where you have to basically rely on importing people to heal and teach.

Potatoes are an import. This is obvious shit but when yr economic progress depends on trade/colonialism you're always gonna be open to cultural imports. So I have no clue what native culture of any kind might be.

its pretty easy to mistake the comments of someone who "is in love with a thing that never really existed" based on a romantic concept of people- or nationhood with a member of the national front because, uh, the national front is all about the romanticization of a people or nation that never really existed in the way they think of it.

I suppose this would be true if Moz was involved in xenophobic British politics, but as far as I know he isn't a member of the house of commons. The man is entitled to his opinion, and if people wanna pay money for it more power to them.

And if people wanna make stupid comparisons on the internet between Smiths lyrics and the burning of books, more power to them, too.

(this is all way xpost. i just got to work.)

Re food what's happened is a great expansion of range of options to eat out, but at the indirect expense of preserving or restoring any idea of native (for want of better word) food culture? Specious maybe but I was wondering earlier if visitors to the UK 50 years ago had quite the same attitude or stereotype in mind of British food (whatever this is) as they do now. Chains are a much bigger problem in this regard tho (plus should be noted that chain outlet staff are almost always recent immigrants now).

Hi dere Morrissey...

It's a bit silly to argue the pros & cons of immigration on whether it's "enriched the culture" or "diminished the culture" or whatever. People immigrate, and countries let in immigrants, on economic grounds.

Re food what's happened is a great expansion of range of options to eat out, but at the indirect expense of preserving or restoring any idea of native (for want of better word) food culture?

I'm not sure what you mean by native food culture but if what you mean is regional specialities then their decline was much more to do with the growth of supermarkets, chain restaurant, etc in the 50s and 60s and little to do with migration. And anyway I would say that that decline is reversing. See "The Bad Food Guide" by Derek Cooper from 1967 for starters. Ho ho.