I think Republic is the best collection of lyrics Bernard Sumner ever wrote. The mess with Factory provide some great content for him.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 30 May 2013 07:20 (eleven years ago) link
of course that is it for the night.
will start again when i wake up (boo).
― Bee OK, Thursday, 30 May 2013 07:49 (eleven years ago) link
I think the top five might go,
5. Brotherhood4. Low-Life3. Movement2. Power, Corruption & Lies1. Technique
I would have liked to see Republic in the top five, it's their most underrated album.
― Kitchen Person, Thursday, 30 May 2013 08:38 (eleven years ago) link
I'd have thought PCL for 'top', the rest, yes.
― Mark G, Thursday, 30 May 2013 08:56 (eleven years ago) link
16 Here To Stay 1
aw, nobody else voted for the vid?
― 乒乓, Thursday, 30 May 2013 11:01 (eleven years ago) link
Sumner's best lyrics on the first Electronic album.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 May 2013 11:20 (eleven years ago) link
Can't believe Republic outranked Substance and Get Ready. To this day I still feel ripped off by that album. Technique was like this amazing new vista after they had played out their second great phase, and then they phoned in the next album.Maybe I should go back and listen to it again, it's been probably 15 years since I got it off the shelf.
― MatthewK, Thursday, 30 May 2013 12:22 (eleven years ago) link
well, Substance isn't an album, and Get Ready is post-peak. Republic's position makes sense.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 May 2013 12:24 (eleven years ago) link
I'm one of the folks who voted for Substance... technically not an album but a singles collection sure, but during the years I had it on constant rotation that distinction meant nothing to me at all. I still remember finally getting a CD player and immediately buying Substance for access to the second disc of b-sides.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 30 May 2013 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I agree re. Substance, it's enough of an album to have gotten my vote, and it's a really important record for me personally in the NO canon.
― Neil S, Thursday, 30 May 2013 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
I wasn't going to vote for it until I saw that other people were
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 30 May 2013 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I voted for Substance - it's easily the record of theirs I've played most.
― kraudive, Thursday, 30 May 2013 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
Lots of people apparently consider it an album.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 30 May 2013 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
Psychologically I file it with Louder Than Bombs -- sure it was a singles collection to some people, but it was the only thing available to me so I played it to death while my brain was still forming and therefore it is an album.
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 May 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
this is how I saw it, too.
as a budding new order fan, it was also the only way I could make sense of their early singles catalogue.
― Millsner, Thursday, 30 May 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago) link
Two of my first six CDs were Substance!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 30 May 2013 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
Is that because it's a double cd or did you buy it twice?
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 30 May 2013 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
Two of my first six CDs were Substance but one was by Joy Division
― ¬╡▫ ▫╞⌠ (sic), Thursday, 30 May 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
The other was by Bocca Juniors.
― Mark G, Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
Factory Records and Boys Own were my cultural centers. Unfortunately, I was on a one man island, isolated from what was happening and only able to read about it in British publications a month or three after the fact.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 30 May 2013 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
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5 BrotherhoodReleased: 29 September 1986Acclaimed Music ranking: 34 1986, 306 80's Decade, 1605 All-Time469 Points, 24 Votes
― Bee OK, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
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4. MovementReleased: 13 November 1981544 Points, 24 Votes, 4 Number Ones
― Bee OK, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
thought this would be higher
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
should be #1
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
getting that 9 corrected
― Bee OK, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
#9?!
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
the first time i heard movement i was around 12, it was playing in a record store downtown and i asked the clerk if it was joy division and he snickered and said 'uh NO. it's new order.' i'd always filed it as awkward and them finding their sea legs, probably would've slotted behind brotherhood for the longest time but the reissues a couple of years back (and specifically disc two of the movement one being my favorite volume or whatever of new order period) really raised it in my estimation, i think i had it third but just barely.
― balls, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
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3. Low-LifeReleased: 13 May 1985Acclaimed Music ranking: 7 1985, 66 80's Decade, 444 All-time633 Points, 28 Votes, 1 Number One
― Bee OK, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
I would like Low-Life so much were it not for the album versions of the singles and "Face Up"
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
i love the face up intro fake out
― 乒乓, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know what's NOT to love about 'face up' but w/e
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
woo!
Trying to think of a wider gap in quality between the album and single versions of a song than "Subculture". Coming up short.
― Vinnie, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
album sub-culture towers over the single is what I hope you're saying
― Millsner, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
the queasy, unsteady vocals enhance the middle stretch of the album (basically "This Time of Night" through "Sooner Than You Think", which I believe is their finest run of songs off of the albums between Movement and Technique) but absolutely destroy the rest of the album, particularly "Face Up" and the album version of "Subculture"
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
Haha no, I was agreeing with DJP. Maybe if I hadn't heard the single version first, I'd think of the album version as one of those half-assed NO tracks that is charming because of how quickly it was put together. But since I did, it sounds no-assed.
― Vinnie, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
i'd agree that sub-culture is probably sumner's weakest vocal effort of that period, but it still comes off as charming to me. that, with hook's menacing disco bass, win me over. also not a fan of their remix stuff with john robie (too shrill & thin sounding).
― Millsner, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
(well strictly speaking "Elegia" isn't a song since it has no vocals but still)
also Vinnie is super OTM; I was so so so excited to hear Low-Life based off of the Substance 12" versions of its singles and actually sitting down with it basically felt like the band was laughing at me (awesome middle section aside)
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
Give it time. In the end you will in the end you will
― Vinnie, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
Low Life is essential for students of Bernard's vocal stylings ("oh HOW I CAN-NOT BEAR the THOOOOOUGHT OF YOOOOO").
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
just reading that is making my skin crawl
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
"Sooner Than You Think" is a mad underrated lil narrative.
xp standard bearer for a proud lineage of whoops and oooophs
― Millsner, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
(it was after this album that I decided I would never see New Order live because I didn't think I could take Bernard's voice in a live setting)
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
SOMETIMES IN LIFE YOU TAKE A TUMBLE
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, Sooner Than You Think never gets enough credit
― Millsner, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
Y'all are being way too hard on Bernard's singing!
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
ooh!
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
I'm seeing them for the first time in July, will report back on whether Mr. Sumner is up to the task.
― Vinnie, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Don't let anybody tell you that you're no good, cuz you know they would.
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link