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jess: it's bone thugs!

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link

oh shit nevermind there's my attentionspan outed

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

re: Wileys new album - adam blade 21st post - 15 Nov 2003 18:11
i dunno wat ur on bout Icerink is a heavy tune! [reply] [Complain about this post]

re: Wileys new album - two step for ever 460th post - 17 Nov 2003 12:35
Just shows how good your knowledge and understanding of garage music and production is. I could fart a better beat out of my ass mate.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

Jus' got sent some music on disk of MarkOne/Plasticman productions. No MC but awesome! Also some 2nd II none. TerrorRhythm or HyperDub don't have 'em. Best..I think 'em the next ones. Jess likes 'em, RIGHT? San Francisco doesn't have much a scene or at least I haven't met 'em yet.. I don't even know the track names of what I was anonymously sent.

― cs appleby (cs appleby), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 05:59 (twenty years ago) link

i'll be sharing a good recording of nasty crew's deja set from monday this evening...

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:40 (twenty years ago) link

oi toby i didn't listen to that show but my mate took it as evidnce that d double has been kicked out of NASTY. whatd'ya'reckon. did you hear that?

― lukle, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:40 (twenty years ago) link

Jammer did imply in his exit interview that some of the MCs were on his side - maybe D.E.E. was too loyal to Jammer?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

there is some nasty crew mix cd in rhythm division mixed by marcus nasty that has dee on it, and it has DEE in it. it has only just come out i think so.....

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

i've only heard 5 mins of it so far and i'm at work now, but i should be able to have a listen later and let you know...

what's that cd called ambrose? did that nasty show one ever come out??

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:53 (twenty years ago) link

ok i found it on their website:

ARTIST : N.A.S.T.Y PRES. MARCUS NASTY 1165
£ 6.80

TITLE : N.A.ST.Y MIX CD
LABEL : WHITE LABEL
MIXED BY MARCUS NASTY, MAC 10 & SYKIK WITH MC'S KANO, GHETTO, SHARKY MAJOR, D DOUBLE E, FOOTSIE & MONKEY

definitely looks worth a punt. i guess it isn't the old nasty show thing cos jammer was on that, wasn't he?

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

It would be criminal if The Nasty Show never saw release. My favourite single piece of music of '03 by far.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:10 (twenty years ago) link

theres a track 24 minutes in which is like todd edwards grime, whats this?

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

I don't have the set on the computer I'm on. Does it have any female vocals or do you mean Edwards as in cross-hatched noises?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

"we were always"?

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm that sounds like Roll Deep's "You Were Always" (female goes "You were always..." and the guys rap the end of the line) - but that's not on the Nasty Crew set!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

oops, sorry, was talking about that ruff sqwad set from dec

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:33 (twenty years ago) link

Is that on-line? It would be "You Were Always" though, as Tinchy Strider from Ruff Sqwad is one of the main MCs on it.

I've yet to hear a Ruff Sqwad track I like as much as "R.U.F.F."

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:37 (twenty years ago) link

it is indeed "you were always". according to martin's wiley interview it's going to be on tinchy's album, if it ever comes out (i don't think he's actually got a record deal).

the ruff squad set's on slsk, tim, sadly i don't have any webspace to put it up (though if you can suggest other ways i can transfer it to you via the internet (is there a possibility with instant messenger stuff?!) i'm happy to).

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

Tim have you heard 'Armour'? It's a great mega-widescreen epic Ruff Sqwad orienstrumental sort of like Vice Versa remix and R.U.F.F.

― Keith McD, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago) link

i really need to hear the vocal version of armour that i heard last week again.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

plus there's a heartbreaking Foulplayified track in that Ruff Sqwad set on J da Flex. the one where one of them says "Rapid, biggest producer on road!"

― Keith McD, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

Rapid tunes are alot faster and skippier innit.

― peckham rye, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

I'm feeling Shifty alot. 'Life in the East is so hard/Anything goes there's no holds barred/One place i feel safe is yard/Enter my yard you will get scarred'.

― peckham rye, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

is this your real e-mail address, toby?

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

yes, i'm just lame at replying to emails. your cd will be in the post soon...

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

sorry fr the bother ws just checking you got it ok graffiti seems to be playing up. thanks.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

christ that ruff squad set from the 22nd is really something.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

does the "mystery roll deep" track have a name attached to it yet? or a release?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago) link

haha i looked this thread up and ws just about to ask about the same 'you were always' song (dunno about the mcing but the track is gorgeous, is it an swv sample?) but i see that all happened upthread. wd love to have a proper copy of it, anyone have an mp3?

― minna (minna), Thursday, 8 January 2004 08:34 (twenty years ago) link

ground zero should be on the roll deep album ... check the Wiley hyperdub interview.

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Thursday, 8 January 2004 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

the only copies of "you were always" going around (and it's been going around for well over a year!) are radio rips.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:47 (twenty years ago) link

'you were always-
playing some annoying mental game'

strider, with the best line in the song, i love that bit

― ulke, Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

yes it is an SWV sample. I know this because Wiley plays it on the pirate recording Luke sent me and calls it the SWV riddim (and tells all the ladies to rewind their tape and learn the words, which is funny because Dizzee's verse is pretty damn mysogynistic)

― Keith McD, Thursday, 8 January 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago) link

LEARN TO RAP

― KILLA B, Thursday, 8 January 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

'you were always' - you're talking about that 2 years old Roll Deep song? it's great, but I have only one old pirate version... is there a new recording of that song?

― rishlje, Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

nah, it's the same track, it's just getting played out again.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 January 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

"Tim have you heard 'Armour'? It's a great mega-widescreen epic Ruff Sqwad orienstrumental sort of like Vice Versa remix and R.U.F.F. "

Ha ha this description is *purpose-built* to make me salivate uncontrollably. It occurred to me the other day that over the last year my entire listening habits have shifted somewhat towards overblown melodic multicoloured pyrotechnics. I'm not sure what's the cause but I'm blaming dancehall.

Incidentally, after all that confusion over Vice Versa being a remix or not I'm pretty sure that it's just "Vice Versa" now! Sorry for mixing everyone up!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

rapids got about 10 new tunes all like that though. i haven't heard one called armour, although i've heard one armour from NASTY does the vocals on. rapid has gone crazy. everything he's dong is amazing.

― l', Friday, 9 January 2004 09:27 (twenty years ago) link

what do we think of the terror danjah production sound, the tuff tracky futuro hyperdubbyness i find a bit of a turn off really. anything less twee out there that might change my mind?

― prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

'cock back' is quite dainty in its way tho i suppose, averts the usual goth d'n'b moshpit

― prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:45 (twenty years ago) link

the dude who did essentials - 'get over it' was SOOO much better being terror danjah, i wish he'd reappear

― prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:48 (twenty years ago) link

does anyone know the name/producer of the guy who did that tinchy freestyle track about 20 minutes into the ruff squad dec. 22nd set with the crazy rock drumfills?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

Define "grimette", plz.

― That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

Grime with girly bits. Basically it's old femme vocals style 2-step only with grime production where the 2-step production used to be - check for example any remix/bootleg of an R&B tune by a grime producer (eg. Danny Weed's remix of Jamelia's "Bout" - a classic of this mini-genre!).

The best stuff strikes me as an odd mesh of early 2-step, 'ardkore and that brief late nineties fad for jungle mixes of R&B tunes - the first for the way the producer shreds the vocals to little hiccups and phrases, the second for the way it all sounds like a composite of different effects, and the third for its brute physicality. It's definitely quite different to even the darker vocal 2-step of 00-02, which tended to let the vocal run straight through.

This stuff isn't the future in any way shape or form, but I enjoy it immensely.

because the original tune (or the lead vocalist in the case of new productions) is pretty much eviscerated by the snapping beats and slimy basslines

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

That sounds fantastic. Where do I start?

― That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

Jamelia - Bout (Danny Weed Remix)
Davinche ft. Kele Le Roc - What I Found In You
Terra Danjah ft. Shola Ama & D.E.E. - Contagious

... are my three favourites, but look for that one Luka talked about on his blog 'cos he makes it sound awesome:

Terra Danjah feat. Sadie & Kano - So Sure

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:21 (twenty years ago) link

hey remember gemma fox! they just rereleased 'messy' wih a jim jones verse, but a lame new beat sadly

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah true "Messy" is the prototype for this, as is Outlaw Breaks' "Dutty". Also the Lorraine Cato vocal mix of "Pulse X".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 03:36 (twenty years ago) link

so sure

that wasn't me that was lee, (anythingcanhappen.blogspot.com) who i think was posting under the name tinman. i should have made it more obvious i was quoting.

― luke', Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:01 (twenty years ago) link

gemma fox has a horrible voice tho!

the only other tune ive herad like this (on the independance site) is a bit rubbish too - Get 2 Know- Skepta Feat Chardonnai (thats a good name though). my fear is that the vocalists they are going to get are kinda shit. i like shola ama however, if only i could actually hear that tune with terra danjah!

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ow9Cnnjeg

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcBPJXhf9wE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHHonkjH6M0

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqWKf3k53As&feature=related

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3l-CjJn1ic

― Patrice Leclerc Delacroix Poussin (admrl), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

four weeks pass...

This is so good/fun - Logan Sama KISS PRESENTS ft. Trim, Obese, Discarda, Nico Lindsay & Big Narstie

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

christ that ruff squad set from the 22nd is really something.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, January 8, 2004 3:08 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It really was something, as was the one from the 29th - I guess these are Ruff Sqwad sets on Deja Vu from 22nd/29th December 2003.

Unfortunately, I lost my copies about 7 years ago, and all I can find online is 16 mins of the 29th December set. Does anyone still have them??

― toby, Friday, 7 December 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link

Speaking of http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/dec/06/a-history-of-grime

― pandemic, Friday, 7 December 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link

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