― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link
It's funny, I used to feel the same way. Years later, all I listen to are live shows. I guess I finally "got" the live stuff in a big way. I remember I used to think, "it just sounds worse, why not listen to a nice clean recording?" It only takes a few GREAT shows to understand why the live shows are better in a hard-to-describe way. I would suggest the 10 disc Big Cypress show from New Years 99 or the "Runaway Golfcart Marathon" show in which every song has some reference to the OJ high-speed chase. Then, any of the earlier shows from the late 80s and early 90s. LIVE PHISH #9 from '89 is totally kickass straight through.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link
someone made a whole album comprised of dark star samples.
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It's a double disc Plunderphonics set called Grayfolded. It's pretty damn great. People who don't like the Dead can suck it.
― jolly sex world, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link
Count me. Yes, I like jam bands. Some of them. jeez, can't people just treat "jam bands" as any other genre-definable band? The Grateful Dead & Phish were GREAT bands. However, bands like Widespread or SCI do very little for me. ILMers who would say the former and the latter are the same or can't tell the difference really make me question if they've listened to them or are merely parroting hivemind snark.
There are a number of other good bands: The New Deal, Lotus, Sound Tribe Sector 9, the bays, Brothers Past...are they jam bands? i don't know and i don't care. if i enjoy 3 12-15 minute songs/jams in a set or in a show isn't it the same as enjoying 4 or 5 songs out of 15 on an LP?
Also, if people knew enough about The Disco Biscuits to initiate and sustain a "why are they so bad and hated"-type-thread i would show my true colors and play the role of alex_in_nyc in relation to KJ.
― Jimmy_tango, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― elgolfo (elgolfo), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link
I owned Red by God Street Wine for some unknown reason. Terrible!
I never liked the Grateful Dead that much, aside from American Beauty, Workingman's Dead, and Blues For Allah (the only Dead album I own).
I guess I like Phish the most out of that genre. They're pretty good overall. But their godlike status with some acquaintances of mine (who obsess over them about 20x as much as Alex obsesses over Killing Joke) is off-putting.
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link
I always forget about it cause usually everyone is hating on them for being a jam-band and its not a jam-band song at all.
― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:59 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh no!
― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 31 March 2005 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link
The thing that I appreciate about most jam bands is that they don't stereotype other types of music and rarely judge or -- as this thread does -- berate other music genres. They truly do this shit because they love to hear those notes floating through the air.
― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Thursday, 31 March 2005 02:04 (nineteen years ago) link
Because they figured out how to make money?
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Have you ever heard: Wake of The Flood, What A Long Strange Trip 2 CD set, Skull and Roses, One From The Vault, Two From The Vault, Terrapin Station, Shakedown Street, Mars Hotel, Live Without A Net, Dick's Picks? If not, you've missed lots of great stuff and many different styles. Take advantage of archive.org and download some of the best shows out there for free!
I even happen to like the albums most deadheads don't appreciate too much, like Go To Heaven and Blues For Allah.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link
Regardless of what you think of their music, Phish are/were some of the best musicians AND the best songwriters out there. Don't let their fans get in the way of your judgment of the band.
That said, I'm glad they broke up. Hopefully the members will do something new and interesting.
― cdwill, Thursday, 31 March 2005 05:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― dapes, Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 31 March 2005 11:29 (nineteen years ago) link
The handful of times I've seen Mule live have been some of my most satisfying musical experiences. And, on occasion, the fans have contributed to that. Any crowd on any given night can wrinkle yr opinion of what's onstage, but I've always found the fans at a Mule or Phish or whatever show to simply be more at ease and actually there for the show rather than there to be, you know, seen.
Some people seem to forget we pay to see and hear the bands, not them.
But, yeah, as it was told to me: "Warren Haynes is a for real cat."
Amen to that.
― dapes, Thursday, 31 March 2005 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 31 March 2005 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link
I also did forget to mention that I dled some Disco Biscuits at the suggestion of a couple ILMers and they're great too!
Despite the contrasting opinion expressed above, I really think jam bands are comparable to jazz... and blues. Buddy Guy and Eric Clapton are great jammers.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link
Sweet fancy moses! my compliments, you open-minded soul. if you ever want recommendations of shows or songs to check out, i will provide that service.
― Jimmy_tango, Thursday, 31 March 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ozewayo (ozewayo), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link
try those two and then maybe 12/31/04 to hear something like what they sound like now. new year's eve shows can sometimes be too gimmicky, especially for someone not familiar with the band, but if you want high-energy, the 2nd set is that in spades. that 1 cd hasn't left my changer in the 4 months since the show.
― Jimmy_tango, Thursday, 31 March 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh, I also like Ween a lot of the time, who have some overlap in this scene.
― Waking Up Onstage at Jumbo's (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Friday, 1 April 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0033,tracker_writer.inc,13594,.html
― xhuxk, Friday, 1 April 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Friday, 1 April 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link
(didn't feel this required a whole new thread)
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link
The following is a list of jam bands, or bands on the jam-band circuit.
0-9
7 Walkers
A
Acoustic Syndicate Al and The Transamericans Allman Brothers Band Amfibian Animal Liberation Orchestra Apollo Aquarium Rescue Unit Aqueous Assembly of Dust Ataxia
B
Back Door Slam Band of Gypsys Banyan Barefoot Manner Béla Fleck and the Flecktones Benevento/Russo Duo Bernie Worrell & the WOO Warriors Big Gigantic Big Head Todd and the Monsters Big Tasty Biodiesel The Big Wu The Black Crowes
Blind Faith Blues Project Blues Traveler Bob Weir & Ratdog The Bomb Squad BoomBox The Brakes The Breakfast The Brew
The Bridge Buckethead Buckminster Fuller
C
The Cardinals Centipede Clutch The Codetalkers Colonel Bruce Hampton and the Pharaoh Gummit Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains Colonel Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade Cope Cornmeal (band) Country Joe and the Fish Cream (Band)
D
Dark Star Orchestra Dave Matthews Band David Nelson Band Deep Banana Blackout Derek Trucks Band The Dirty Dozen Brass Band The Disco Biscuits Dispatch Donavon Frankenreiter DJ Logic Donna the Buffalo
Dr.Dan Matrazzo and The Looters
E
Edie Brickell & New Bohemians The Egg Ekoostik hookah Electric Apricot The Electric Co. EOTO Evergreen (evergreenjams.com) The Expendables
F
Family Groove Company Fat Freddy's Drop Freddy Jones Band Fungus Amungus Furthur Future Rock
G
G. Love & Special Sauce Gabe Dixon Band Galactic Galapagos Garage A Trois Garaj Mahal Giant Panda Guerilla Dub Squad Gneiss God Street Wine Gov't Mule Grateful Dead Grace Potter and the Nocturnals The Grapes Greensky Bluegrass
H
The Heavy Pets Hot Buttered Rum Hot Tuna Hypnotic Clambake
I
Infamous Stringdusters Ivan Neville's Dumpstaphunk
J
Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey Jam Camp Jazz Mandolin Project Jefferson Airplane Jerry Garcia Band JGB The Jimi Hendrix Experience The Jimmy Swift Band John Brown's Body The John Butler Trio
K
Karl Denson's Tiny Universe Keller Williams Kudzu Kings KVHW
L
Lake Trout (band) Leaf Hound Leftover Salmon Legion of Mary (band) Les Claypool Les Claypool's Frog Brigade Lettuce (band) Little Barrie Little Feat Liquid Soul Lotus
M
The Machine Maktub Man The Mars Volta The Marshall Tucker Band Matisyahu Max Creek The McLovins Medeski Martin & Wood Medeski Scofield Martin & Wood Michael Franti & Spearhead moe. Mofro The Mother Hips Motorpsycho My Morning Jacket Moon Taxi
N
New Deal New Grass Revival New Riders of the Purple Sage New Monsoon Nickel Creek North Mississippi All-Stars The New Mastersounds
O
Old and in the Way Oteil Burbridge The Other Ones Oysterhead Ozric Tentacles O.A.R.
Octopus Nebula
P
Particle Pat McGee Band Paul Butterfield Blues Band Perpetual Groove Phil Lesh & Friends Phish Pink Floyd Pinot Polyphonic Spree Pnuma Trio Primus Pseudopod
Q
The Quark Alliance
R
The Radiators Railroad Earth RAQ Ratdog Red Levee Skyy Raw Deluxe
Rhythm Devils Robert Randolph and the Family Band Rodrigo Y Gabriela The Roots Roster McCabe Rubber Souldiers
Rusted Root RX Bandits
S
Sabbatical The Samples SerialPod Sister Hazel Slightly Stoopid The Slip Soulfarm Soulive Soul Rebels Brass Band Sound Tribe Sector 9 Spread Spearhead The Spin Doctors Sprout State Radio
Steve Kimock Band Stockholm Syndrome Strangefolk The String Cheese Incident
T
Tea Leaf Green Ten Ton Chicken Toubab Krewe Traffic Trey Anastasio Band Trigon The Tubes
U
Umoja Orchestra Umphrey's McGee
V
Vida Blue Vinyl
W
The Waybacks The Werks Ween Widespread Panic The Word Wilco
X
Xavier Rudd
Y
Yonder Mountain String Band
Z
Zero Zilla ZOX
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 9 August 2013 23:20 (ten years ago) link
PINK FLOYD RULES
― Euler, Saturday, 10 August 2013 00:58 (ten years ago) link
no qms = no credibility
― rushomancy, Saturday, 10 August 2013 03:45 (ten years ago) link
Sometimes, yeah.
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 10 August 2013 20:46 (ten years ago) link
Seeing Cream on that list reminded me of this: obviously hardly anyone thinks of the Who as a "jam band," but I was just listening to this the other dayhttp://youtu.be/qrBi4q_9Ji4...and thinking how it just comprehensively demolishes Cream. And I like Cream, but man, the Who just flattened them.
― Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 10 August 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link
i like pretty much every power trio that ripped off cream more than i like cream. and the who could kick almost anyone's ass in a jam band contest. if they felt like it. but they'd probably be too pissed off to feel like it and they'd just give you a dirty look. and then demolish you with music.
― scott seward, Saturday, 10 August 2013 20:58 (ten years ago) link
I think Gov't Mule is pretty good rock band. Warren Haynes is a rare modern sideman musician that was actually able to create an separate musical identity well over a decade into a career. If you like that late 60s/early 70s blues hard rock like Free or Allman Brothers or Cream etc., I'd figure you would find something to like in Gov't Mule's music.
I'd think if any of the corporate radio programmers would have mixed a band like them in on the radio next to the endless Bad Company and Led Zep or Stones tunes over the past couple of decades, they would have fit and probably would have a bit larger profile. They don't get the props but I think that is pretty canny of them to have pretty much every show they have done for years up for their fans to get from the band, usually pretty well recorded.
― earlnash, Sunday, 11 August 2013 05:13 (ten years ago) link
I just listened to a Moe. song a friend posted on fb. It wasn't terrible.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 9 July 2016 14:53 (seven years ago) link
i love the dead (in addition to finally getting into a few shows, the americana albums are sorta obv great, and blues for allah is a gorgeous jazz fusion record anchored in songs and so feels to me very related to stuff like court and spark while also being totally different), love floyd and floyd bootlegs if those count. every time I've tried to get into phish, at least live, they seem like the worst possible evolution of fusion. their playing itself sounds so...self-involved, as much as you can ascribe that to a particular interplay. some of their songs are good though, I remember enjoying billy breathes
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Saturday, 9 July 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
...not enough to take on the whole of ilm on the topic. :)
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Saturday, 9 July 2016 22:45 (seven years ago) link
lol
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 9 July 2016 22:57 (seven years ago) link
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Saturday, 9 July 2016 23:01 (seven years ago) link
none of the newer hippie bands have songs. that's my main problem. maybe songs are beside the point. the dead had many many wonderful songs to choose from. they had an actual songbook! all the best old bands had memorable songs. allman brothers. quicksilver. new riders. little feat. also they could jam better...but they had good to great material to fall back on in if they were too stoned to play straight. i've never heard a great nu-jam band song. they might be giant songs sound like cole porter compared to phish songs.
i think it doesn't help that the bands now are completely unfunny to me. and it seems like humor is definitely a part of their thing. and its definitely zappa humor which is my least favorite kind.
it's a cult thing that i will never enjoy. and i like a lot of cult things. when people come in my store and ask if i have any phish i say no and they have no interest in anything else. they just leave. they don't look at a single record.
ALSO, i know a fanatical phish fan and i've told him that i've listened to album stuff and didn't like it and he'll say NO! you have to hear the live thing and i'll say i've listened to a lot of live stuff online...and he'll say NO! you have to go to a show!! and that right there is the heart of it. if i can't tell how good a band is by listening to any of their zillion albums or live shows online...i mean, that is some extra-musical cult-like activity.
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 00:50 (seven years ago) link
also, yes, the dead could definitely make me cringe when they did "funky", but nothing like any of the newer bands doing "funky". kinda think there should a law against it. that and their takes on "reggae".
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 00:52 (seven years ago) link
i also know that arguing with fans of these bands is pointless. like fighting with limp bizkit fans or something. just not worth it.
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 00:54 (seven years ago) link
fun crowd...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trdL24_PTqM
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 15:46 (seven years ago) link
when i was growing up Max Creek were the Phish before Phish. but they were straight-up Dead worshippers. they still play too. i don't hate them! they even put out some decent records.
people i knew in the 80's would go see Max Creek when they needed a Dead fix and the Dead weren't touring.
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link
the festival they have in town here every year looks like fun.
https://scontent.fbos1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13335993_10154814210172137_733663556762655819_n.jpg?oh=52666d2ab26d9c2121f7af8934cd2636&oe=57E905FD
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 15:58 (seven years ago) link
i'm sure they wouldn't done great if they weren't apparently forbidden by their terms of parole from ever venturing more than 100 miles away from willimantic. :)
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Sunday, 10 July 2016 16:07 (seven years ago) link
Someone posted on the live dead thread last week about some show that was the absolute favorite Dead show, so I dl'd it and tried to give a listen on a car trip. I couldn't switch it off fast enough.
lol sorry
that "playing in the band" tho
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 July 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link
there should be a jam bands/albums poll
is anyone here a crusty enough ilxor to rescue the genre from disrespect???
― omar little, Thursday, 17 October 2019 23:24 (four years ago) link
Jam is so much more accepted now in indie circles it's crazy
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 October 2019 23:27 (four years ago) link