defend the indefensible: MR. MISTER

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And who the fuck was Glass Tiger? I mean, I know of them, but have never heard anything by them.. I always thought they were some second rate State Fair act. Did they have a radio hit?

"don't forget me when i'm gone" (with a BRYAN ADAMS cameo!)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh I quite liked them. Probably as much as Johnny Hates Jazz and Living in a Box. Hated the outfits, but the songs were alright.

nathalie doing a soft foot shuffle (stevie nixed), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

"don't forget me when i'm gone" (with a BRYAN ADAMS cameo!)

Thanks. Doesn't help one bit. Can you sing a few lines?

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Glass Tiger also had "Someday", which was better than "Don't Forget Me When I'm Gone".

"Broken Wings" and "Kyrie" are both fantastic songs. Calling "broken Wings" a Jesus-freak anthem should probably make you rethink your grasp of the English language.

The tin-eared reactionaryism of ILMers who regularly got their books dumped in junior high appears to be on the rise again!

The Ghost of OH NO HE DIDN'T (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

no can do wr2 singing, but here are the lyrics:

You take my breath away
Love thinks it's here to stay
There's still so much for me to do
And I can't stop loving you
Oh can this be true

If you could see what I have seen
(The) broken hearts and broken dreams
Then I wake up and you're not there
Pain finds me everywhere
Oh! but you don't care

CHORUS:

Don't forget me when I'm gone
My heart would break
I have loved you for so long
It's all I can take

You, you take my breath away
Love thinks it's here to stay
There's still so much for me to do
And I can't stop loving you
Oh! can this be true

CHORUS:

Then I wake up and you're not there
Pain finds me everywhere
Oh! but you don't care

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

The tin-eared reactionaryism of ILMers who regularly got their books dumped in junior high appears to be on the rise again!

hey, if dissing mr. mister and glass tiger is reactionary-ism then i'll wear it proudly.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

At the very least, they showed more imagination (spelling-wise) in choosing a band name than Duran Duran, Talk Talk or (arguably) The The. (Tho much less so than Toni Tony Tone.)

Actually, (aside from confusing them with the Hooters), I have surprisingly pleasant memories of "Kyrie" and "Broken Wings", considering that they were released around late '85/early '86 - a particularly lousy period for radio (at least in my opinion.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't mind the hooters ... they were actually pretty good songwriters (for REAL).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I have surprisingly pleasant memories of "Kyrie" and "Broken Wings", considering that they were released around late '85/early '86 - a particularly lousy period for radio

Circular logic. Isn't Mr Mr the indication that radio was lousy?

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I have surprisingly pleasant memories of "Kyrie" and "Broken Wings", considering that they were released around late '85/early '86 - a particularly lousy period for radio

1985 Was When It All Started to Turn to Shit

(note that i don't agree w/ my original position any more.)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

1985 - Top 100 rated albums on rateyourmusic.com
http://rateyourmusic.com/top_albums/year_is_1985

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

85-86 were a FANTASTIC period for radio. Evidence:

"Cry Wolf" - a-ha
"Let's Go All The Way" - Sly Fox
"Tarzan Boy" - Baltimora
"Right On Track" - The Breakfast Club
"West End Girls" - Pet Shop Boys
"Opportunities" - Pet Shop Boys
"Something About You" - Level 42
"Everybody Wants To Rule The World" - Tears For Fears
"Shout" - Tears For Fears
"Head Over Heels" - Tears For Fears
"Living On A Prayer" - Bon Jovi
"A Love Bizarre" - Sheila E.
"Kiss" - Prince & the Revolution
"Curiosity" - The Jets
"Crush On You" - The Jets
"Let The Music Play" - Shannon
"Touch Me (I Want Your Body)" - Samantha Foxx
"Like A Virgin" - Madonna
"Dress You Up" - Madonna
"Papa Don't Preach" - Madonna
"Take On Me" - a-ha
"Careless Whispers" - Wham!
"Out Of Touch" - Hall & Oates
"Wild Boys" - Duran Duran
"Sledgehammer" - Peter Gabriel
"Big Time" - Peter Gabriel
"True Colors" - Cyndi Lauper
"Take My Breath Away" - Berlin
"Secret Lovers" - Atlantic Starr
"Venus" - Bananarma
"I Can't Wait" - Nu Shooz

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember that Broken Wings was a big love anthem on Silver Spoons when Ricky Schroeder was old enough to have crushes on girls. I think.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember how i liked the waterboys back then -- gawd, shoot me for saying that!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

a number of those 85-86 songs are carryovers from 84, dan.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

and a number of them are lousy.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan, when you need to count higher than 10, you can take of your shoes or use paper & pencil.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll take Glass Tiger over Mr Mister: better Bryan Adams manqué than El Lay hacks attempting sincerity with big ballads.

I despise Cutting Crew's "(I Just Died) In Your Arms Tonight," but their other hit "I've Been in Love Before" has that airy, synthy "Your Wildest Dreams"

Let's call this genre poof-rock (billowy synths, guitar wankery, HUGE mullets). I'm curious as to why the U.S. marketplace was vulnerable to such a hostile takeover. Mr Mister, Glass Tiger, and CC, Heart, Starship, Richard Marx. Anything else.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

1985 crap: "separate lives," "say you say me," "the power of love," "we built this city," "the heat is on," "heaven," "can't fight this feeling," "if you love somebody set them free," "all i need," "never," "never surrender" > 10 songs from 1985 that are duds (and that's only going down to #40).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Michael Keaton sucked in that.

Christopher R. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I AM SO INDIE/EMO IT HURTS; PHEAR MY MASSIVE STREET CRED

The Ghost of ILM posters (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I AM SO ANTI-INDIE/EMO IT HURTS; PHEAR MY MASSIVE ILM CRED.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Radio didn't suck until glam metal completely took over and inspired teenaged boys across America to flagrantly abuse bandannas.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahaha yes, the big thing I'm concerned about is keeping up my ILM cred which is why I'm so full of lavish praise for everything that Justin Timberlake and The Streets release.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, I can't really remember a time when radio didn't suck - except for the mid-70's .. which I'm sure is 100% nostalgic.

xpost

touche'/whatever.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Why all the hate for "We Built This City"? You can't tell me it's any cheesier than, say, "Man In Motion (St. Elmo's Fire?)" or "The Heat Is On", or about a hundred other 80s patio-party "rock" "anthems". The revisionist drubbing for this particular song is disproportionate when there were far worse tunes to come out of this time frame.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I AM SO INDIE/EMO IT HURTS; PHEAR MY MASSIVE STREET CRED


expressio unius est exclusio alterius, yo!

(that is, if (a) a song was in the top 40 of 1985, and (b) i did not include it in my "this song sucks!" list from that year, then (c) i like it (indie/emo cred or no.)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"The revisionist drubbing for this particular song is disproportionate when there were far worse tunes to come out of this time frame."

Like "Kyrie" and "Broken Wings."

The video for "We Built This City" is at least splendid, odiferous cheese.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I rather unreservedly love Starship right up until "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us", largely because on that song Grace Slick finally crossed the line from melodramatic to really stupid and overwrought.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, this thread took off while i was a-lunchin'.

Anyone remember Vitamin Z? They made Glass Tiger sound like Glass Pantera.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

...their big single being "Burning Flame".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"on that song Grace Slick finally crossed the line from melodramatic to really stupid and overwrought."

What about "White Rabbit"?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"White Rabbit" is sublime! It's one of my favorite songs of all time, actually.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Alfred, you've got "White Rabbit" problems? Even in my most anti-Airplane moments, I always liked that song.

(xpost)

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Notice that we're talking AROUND Mr Mister, but only a couple of posts have defended them. We may have reached the limits of ILM revisionism.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I've already said both of their big US hits were great! What more do you want? I mean, I could analyze the structure of "Broken Wings" for you if you want.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

  One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you smaaaaaaaaall"
-White Rabbit

Don't tell us you need us, 'cos we're just simple foooooools!"
-"We Built This City"

She sounds like a phony diva, rather like Pat Benatar.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i like "white rabbit," too -- i like it more for the guitar (i guess that was jorma kaukonnen playing?) than for grace's singing (although grace slick was fine on it, too).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

So, the real issue, then, is whether Grace Slick should have sung lead in Mr Mister.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I have surprisingly pleasant memories of "Kyrie" and "Broken Wings", considering that they were released around late '85/early '86 - a particularly lousy period for radio
Circular logic. Isn't Mr Mr the indication that radio was lousy?

-- dave225

Yeah, but "Kyrie" was less lousy than, say, "Silent Running" or "Russians".

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Ow. Russians gives me a headach like a sugar rush. Weird.

I do have a nostagic love for the crapitude of 80's radio. But my god, it was awful.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

But do the Russians love their children too?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i find it funny how sting took the most UNREPRESENTATIVE bit of the classical suite from which he stole the melody (prokofiev's lieutenant kije).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

She sounds like a phony diva, rather like Pat Benatar.

There is nothing phony about Pat Benatar's divadom! She's a Juilliard-trained spinto!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I like her pop stuff ("Love is a Battlefield," etc) more than the faux hard-rock. And "Invincible" is fabulous.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Boy does that guy look wildly assaultable.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 April 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"Shattered Dreams" pwns.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 April 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I like posting this, where you can see Pat rocking the mullet *and* the song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzl3AB5tw-w

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link

I can't remember how Kyrie goes without mentally hearing it segue into Breakout by Swing Out Sister due to a 20 year old tv ad for a 'hits of the 80s' compilation that featured brief clips of both songs next to each other (Kyrie eleison, down the road that I must travel - BREAKOUT!)

― soref, Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:

thanks for writing my suicide note

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:13 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Haha, if you are talking about a UK TV ad there is at least a 70% chance I made that edit.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link

I actually remember the same TV ad! It used to air a lot on VH-1 circa 1996-1997.

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

This thread made me cry laughing.

Reason for revive: up until this year, this holiday season, I'd never heard "Kyrie." Now, I hear it whenever I go into almost any retail outlet, which isn't too often given the pandemic. Is anyone else experiencing this? Is this just the weird mid-Atlantic pocket of the east coast US where this is happening?

"Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link

I was just looking for this band's name after hearing the new War On Drugs tracks/rough mixes they shared on an instagram stream and thinking "broken wings"

StanM, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link

so that sound may be back on the way in?

StanM, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMGxrHWq6Tg

xzanfar, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link


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