― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link
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― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link
Muse, Moby, David Gray, Wilco?
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link
What if you had room for 237 albums 'though?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link
some of these are just bewildering.
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Blonde on blonde, and...
Oh, Exile on main street, as its a double and I haven't got/heared it.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Interesting Kid A being in the Top Ten now though, only five years ago non clued-in listeners would have found that one quite radical (yes I know, not really... I'm thinking of mums & dads not following the shifts of IDM & Electronica very closely), now it's the token 'radical' choice and they've run off with the 'New Beatles Substitute' honours.
I bet Coldplay wish they had pushed the limits a bit more on X&Y now eh?
― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Theorry Henry
18 forever!!
I think Kate is always in these lists btw. Feels horribly tokenistic in the (rocktastic) company but there you go.
― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link
1. Let's play domination2. Marquee Moon3. Forever changes4. Nuggets box5. Trout Mask6. Os mutantes7. Giant Steps Boo Radleys
to be continued...
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link
to be continues.ss
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm bored now.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link
Start again.
Nos 4, 6, 10, 17, 28, 34, 36, 39, 50, 51, 61, 66 (but de stijl's better), 72 (I'll give it a go), and finally 95.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link
And 28 > 20?
Really?
And you'd pick 6, 39 and 61 rather than 12 (even if it isn't the best album The Smiths did), 42, 43, 44 or (next best thing to a Beefheart album) 99?
I'm surprised.
And a little hurt.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link
28 > 20? Ah, I've heared it too much I guess. Actually, youre right. There's enough to love there. It's probably because of that 'deluxe' edition that I played once, like you said I would. My bad.
42 is one I don't need as I could play it in my head all the way through and hear odd little things I missed every time. The timpani solo in "I'll be your mirror". The oboe in "European son".
43 and 44 I don't know or care about.
And 99 I haven't got any tom. One day.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link
[.... rare moment of stunned silence.... ]
"And 99 I haven't got any tom. One day."
Oh you really should have. You should probably get that one first as well.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link
I have "Death to the Pixies" and dug it out recently to play in the car on a long journey. Enjoyed it, but not especially so.
"Closer", well I never got JD back in the day, really. Apart from the hits. Got a cheap copy of "Still" which was alright. I did get one of the compilations, but decided that they were one of those bands where albums were a piece, not mixeable.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link
As regards Joy Division albums 'though, I'm afraid Still was by far the worst one of the three to get - and isn't really a "proper" album itself anyway; "alright" is probably a fair appraisal; and you're probably right about JD compilations too (Closer could arguably be considered a compilation....)
Using exactly the same basis of assessment however, Unknown Pleasures and Closer are both absolute masterpieces and completely essential.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link
I was in Fopp today, looking for the Catpain's "Uncondit" album but it was £8 so no. They always have the JDs so may try tomorrow. Yup, back on the road soon.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link
I like all the Beatles and Stones recds in the list except Sgt Pepper and Sticky Fingers. Also really like Who's Next, Led Zep IV, Automatic For The People, Low, Setting Sons, The Doors, Dummy, Ziggy, Ray Of Light, Dark Side Of The Moon, Rumours, Doolittle. It's not too bad a list really, is it? It's just seeing all these *really popular* records all together that makes us feel a bit queasy, right?
― Dr.C, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link
henry i have heard the entirety of HALF that top 20 and at least one 'representative' from the rest.
the idea that ray of light is madonna's best album is completely mental.
stevem, the last christina milian album is better than pretty much EVERYTHING on this list. apart from maybe kate bush.
― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link
Yes, of course it was; and no, of course it isn't.
When I wrote "Closer could arguably be considered a compilation....", the words that were going through my head; which I was instructing my fingers to type; and which I confidently believed I could see on the screen in front of me were (of course) "Still could arguably be considered a compilation....".
Yes, I am a twat.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't think that album has ever been on a Q list. (And I fully agree with the readers regarding that)
As for the list? It is better than the one they did a few years back, which had way too much garage rock, contemporary R&B and Aretha Franklin in it. But, seriously. Sure Radiohead is a great band and all that, but not that great!
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stephen C (ihope), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Barrie Minney, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link
"The Bends" at number two is overrated, and "Kid A" shouldn't have been in the list at all.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link
*giggle*
― bugged out, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link
ihttp://www.beefheart.com/zigzag/pictures/MortonDeath1.jpg
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― meister, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― opopoppo, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link
otm. insane that there's no showing for at least one of those in the top 20. unless they rigged it that way!
― piscesboy, Thursday, 5 January 2006 01:07 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.greenplastic.com/2010/12/22/ok-computer-named-best-album-of-the-past-25-years/
Q Magazine readers recently voted Radiohead’s OK Computer as the best album of the past 25 years. No big surprise there, right? The band also took three other places in the top 30 – compiled to mark 25 years of the magazine – with The Bends at eight, Kid A at 18 and In Rainbows at 23. 13 years ago, Q Magazine had a similar poll where OK Computer was also named best album of all time. Now that is staying power.
Full list after the jump.
(thanks to Peter)
The Top 30 albums:
1. OK Computer – Radiohead2. Nevermind – Nirvana3. (What’s The Story) Morning Glory? – Oasis4. Definitely Maybe – Oasis5. Whatever People Say I Am That’s What I’m Not – Arctic Monkeys6. The Joshua Tree – U27. The Stone Roses – The Stone Roses8. The Bends – Radiohead9. Achtung Baby – U210. Black Holes And Revelations – Muse11. Is This It – The Strokes12. A Rush Of Blood To The Head – Coldplay13. Parklife – Blur14. Screamadelica – Primal Scream15. White Blood Cells – The White Stripes16. In The Aeroplane Over The Sea – Neutral Milk Hotel17. Hot Fuss – The Killers.18. Kid A – Radiohead19. Funeral – Arcade Fire20. American Idiot – Green Bay21. The Holy Bible – Manic Street Preachers22. Absolution – Muse23. In Rainbows – Radiohead24. Only By The Night – Kings Of Leon25. Demon Days – Gorillaz26. Origin Of Symmetry – Muse27. Appetite For Destruction – Guns N’Roses28. Urban Hymns – The Verve29. Automatic For The People – R.E.M.30. Loveless – My Bloody Valentine
― World Series champion San Francisco Giants (Bee OK), Friday, 24 December 2010 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck Q.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 24 December 2010 05:26 (thirteen years ago) link
....'s readers
and the magazine
― hot lava hair (Z S), Friday, 24 December 2010 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link
potentially relevant to this discussion:
McGonigal’s introduction for the second part [of Pitchfork's c.2008 10th-anniversary feature], a retrospective by currently in- vogue indie artists, continued to link the album’s release and Pitchfork. In the opening sentence, McGonigal claimed that “in indie circles, In the Aeroplane over the Sea was hailed as an instant classic.”11 McGonigal emphasized its influence on contemporary indie artists by associating the band with artists such as Devendra Banhart, the Decemberists, and Beirut who were themselves lauded by Pitchfork. McGonigal’s reiterated that he, and thus Pitchfork, immediately understood the album was brilliant: “I’m really glad that Aeroplane is so revered. I love it to death, myself—cried when I first listened to the promo cassette and everything. I knew immediately that this was something really special, and wasn’t surprised when quite a few other people agreed.”12 Since the original sources were deleted, and since many of the original sources are from out-of-print magazines or on defunct websites, someone reading Pitchfork today has no choice but to believe Pitchfork was the sole source to laud the album from the beginning.[...] The album’s manner ofcirculation is seen as archetypically indie, receiving airplay on college and alternative radio, but not on mainstream media outlets such as MTV or Top 40 radio. Since then, the album has been described as selling via word-of-mouth, although it can be purchased at major music stores. This method of advertising was found in the artists’ retrospective; many of them described being introduced to the album by a friend.
[...] The album’s manner ofcirculation is seen as archetypically indie, receiving airplay on college and alternative radio, but not on mainstream media outlets such as MTV or Top 40 radio. Since then, the album has been described as selling via word-of-mouth, although it can be purchased at major music stores. This method of advertising was found in the artists’ retrospective; many of them described being introduced to the album by a friend.
for my own part, I hadn't listened to any E6 stuff (altho I think I had heard of Apples in Stereo) before I was introduced to NMH c.2002 through a recommendation by a cool older dude from Austin who posted on the same video-game message board as me and had generally excellent taste (also put me on to Haruki Murakami — thanks Chris!). but I got the impression, at that time, that it already had quite a cult following; and most of my friends in high school who were into 'indie' music had at least heard of it (remember getting clowned on for liking "that anne frank album")
also, I like Blake's idea that the album's "anti-mainstream qualities have ossified due to the group’s musical silence" — which could maybe more cynically rephrased as "they haven't done anything to embarrass themselves or create a backlash".
at any rate, it does seem to still be perceived as essentially 'weird' in a way that is rare for an album of its stature, 'mainstream' or not. part of which is of course due to the attitudes listeners and critics bring to the thing, but let's be real, the music also has to do a lot of work to sustain such a reading.
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Saturday, 25 December 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
'nother interesting angle:
Radiohead, Neutral Milk Hotel Help Vinyl Sales Almost Double In 2008JANUARY 8, 2009 2:05 PM EDTWhile CD sales continue to decline, vinyl is still experience a renaissance: 89 percent more LPs were sold last year than in '07. Part of the leap can be attributed to Capitol Records' decision to reissue many of their most famous albums on vinyl, as the Beatles' Abbey Road was the year's second-highest-selling vinyl album, Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon ranked seventh and Radiohead's OK Computer rounded out the Top 10. Radiohead's In Rainbows, an album that began its career as a free download, was 2008's biggest vinyl seller, a position that was no doubt aided by the fact that the album came out on January 1st of last year and therefore had plenty of time on shelves.Other shockers: Neutral Milk Hotel's 1998 classic In The Aeroplane Over the Sea came in sixth, ahead of Dark Side, Fleet Foxes and Metallica's Death Magnetic. Guns n' Roses' Chinese Democracy, while struggling to sell CDs, sold enough vinyls to place third on the Top 10 list. But the biggest surprise: The B-52's' new album Funplex was the year's fourth best-selling record as it bridged the gap between people who probably owned record players decades ago and the new class of vinyl buyers.As we examined back in June in our "Vinyl Returns" feature, the death of the CD and the influx of the MP3 — with its varying degrees of less-than-CD-quality sound — have opened the door for vinyl to be relevant again. Plus, the artwork for Aeroplane looks so much better on a larger canvas. In all, the number of records sold last year leapt from 988,000 in '07 to 1.88 million in '08. Still, the sales from vinyl only made up 0.1 percent of the music sales in 2008, a year that saw a 14 percent decrease across the board.
JANUARY 8, 2009 2:05 PM EDTWhile CD sales continue to decline, vinyl is still experience a renaissance: 89 percent more LPs were sold last year than in '07. Part of the leap can be attributed to Capitol Records' decision to reissue many of their most famous albums on vinyl, as the Beatles' Abbey Road was the year's second-highest-selling vinyl album, Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon ranked seventh and Radiohead's OK Computer rounded out the Top 10. Radiohead's In Rainbows, an album that began its career as a free download, was 2008's biggest vinyl seller, a position that was no doubt aided by the fact that the album came out on January 1st of last year and therefore had plenty of time on shelves.
Other shockers: Neutral Milk Hotel's 1998 classic In The Aeroplane Over the Sea came in sixth, ahead of Dark Side, Fleet Foxes and Metallica's Death Magnetic. Guns n' Roses' Chinese Democracy, while struggling to sell CDs, sold enough vinyls to place third on the Top 10 list. But the biggest surprise: The B-52's' new album Funplex was the year's fourth best-selling record as it bridged the gap between people who probably owned record players decades ago and the new class of vinyl buyers.
As we examined back in June in our "Vinyl Returns" feature, the death of the CD and the influx of the MP3 — with its varying degrees of less-than-CD-quality sound — have opened the door for vinyl to be relevant again. Plus, the artwork for Aeroplane looks so much better on a larger canvas. In all, the number of records sold last year leapt from 988,000 in '07 to 1.88 million in '08. Still, the sales from vinyl only made up 0.1 percent of the music sales in 2008, a year that saw a 14 percent decrease across the board.
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Saturday, 25 December 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
okay one last quote just for lols:
Shortly after the release of In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, Puncture magazine had a cover story on Neutral Milk Hotel. In it Mangum told of the influence on the record of Anne Frank's The Diary of a Young Girl. He explained that shortly after releasing On Avery Island he read the book for the first time, and found himself completely overwhelmed with sadness and grief. Back in 1998 this admission made my jaw drop. What the hell? A guy in a rock band saying he was emotionally devastated by a book everyone else in America read for a middle-school assignment? I felt embarrassed for him at first, but then, the more I thought about it and the more I heard the record, I was awed.
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Saturday, 25 December 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
(that's from the 2005 pfork review of the reissue, which argues that Aeroplane's most distinctive quality within the 90s indie rock canon is that it "is not cool.")
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Saturday, 25 December 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Well in the case of Bob Marley, Q readers are legally required to own a copy of 'Exodus' so that they can go around telling everybody that they "listen to reggae".
The Q readers feel no need to tell everyone they listen to reggae. They don't feel like they are required to like a certain kind of music that they don't, for instance they don't give a damn about listen to any token R&B or funk. However, Bob Marley had more way with a tune than any (true) reggae act ever before or since, and as such, he has gotten a well-deserved position as the leading reggae act ever.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 25 December 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Bob Marley had more way with a tune than any (true) reggae act ever before or since
no way, e.g., horace andy; cornell campbell; jimmy cliff; the congos.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 25 December 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I like Jimmy Cliff, but I feel like his melodies were more repetitive and harmonically less varied than a lot of Bob Marley's tunes. I don't like "Exodus" (the song) at all, but thankfully Bob Marley was usually able to go way beyong one chord songs like that one.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 26 December 2010 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link