The dylannn (west coast hip-hop) listening club

I also like Messy Marv but I think i'm alone on that

ahem i believe you mean "the boyboy young mess"

the boyboy young me$$ iirc

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQhM0L9a9lv7zAZ0TDeV_9PSNKsRrzX_myn8zfCMOSzry42GEjKOg

yeah hus def steals the show on that comp

my favorite track is 'ways and means' tho

K im trading marv off my Madden team gettin rid of my Marv music when i get home due to that name

marv is a total self-destructive asshole in general, that name is somehow the least of his transgressions

also, yo lemme get in on this spottie

You're on the list.

Rev he's ready so you're up.

ok ok

B-Legit - The Hemp Museum, but only if u smokes big with Rider and Gary Payton

keepin' it in the bay, nice choice!

i feel as if dylannn will fuck with b-legit. possibly end up liking him more than e-40 idk

I could def see that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVPFGMPJZ-A

what is the source of that over the top bay area sound like some tracks off the mob figaz album, the turf talk/keak i've heard, mac dre?

i'm sure "gotta buy dope from us" and a few other tracks i know these from screw mixes also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeqL6kjMskU

^^^^^^^^ classic imho

alright let me find my xacto wrap this popcorn up and get back in it

These screw joints are cool.

Which specific sound you talking about xp?

extremely dense beats, drums that sound sort of digital and slightly distorted and really snappy handclaps and other trebly snaps on the top of it, shit that sounds like sirens going off the whole time-- that doesn't describe all of it but i just mean NOISY. "ways and means" is the best example off the mob trial album, i think, and like, "white t-shirt blue jeans and nikes," what i imagine to the mid-2000s bay area sound.

Studio Ton maybe...
http://a1yola.com/producers/studio-ton/

inhouse producer for loads of 90s Sick Wid It records

Tone Capone as well

b-legit - the hemp museum

man sorry. i've got nothin to say about this. i made a claim that if i made a list of my 100 favorite rap albums i'd have nothing from the south on there unless i really needed to fill space and i put on doggystyle but this would definitely be on there. this is the sound i love, the same bass and whine that came to houston, got slowed down a little, imagine anyone from yungstar to keke on the same beats. that bay area 96 sound is the template for all the houston classics like "tops drop," "realest rhymin." all these beats would sound right on sailin da south-- the one exception i guess is "gotta buy your dope from us," which if i knew anything about-- ah fuck, man the problem with doing this is i like writing about shit i know about, so i feel so nervous hearing "gotta buy your dope from us" as some proto-hyphy shit the forerunner of the turn of the century big beat bay area sound, but i don't know the history at all but it reminds me of that. b-legit is... i dunno, love that slightly mushmouth but flow is near perfection style. this is a classic.

if there's anybody out there who doesn't know about west coast rap or never heard it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shZ6C75eRrY

i mean

Yeah this sound runs parallel with the suave house sound. Probably a little more emphasis on live bass slaps out west where the SH sound rolled a little smoother and deeper

Love Daryl Hall on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cufAvrEtuuU
his guitar fits perfect in the mix too

extremely dense beats, drums that sound sort of digital and slightly distorted and really snappy handclaps and other trebly snaps on the top of it, shit that sounds like sirens going off the whole time-- that doesn't describe all of it but i just mean NOISY. "ways and means" is the best example off the mob trial album, i think, and like, "white t-shirt blue jeans and nikes," what i imagine to the mid-2000s bay area sound.

You talking about hyphy? Does this fit?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOmuejuRdws

yeah, that's basically what i'm talking about.

Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow!

Or is this for contemporary west coast hip hop?

i love b-legit's flow.

Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow!

Or is this for contemporary west coast hip hop?

― octobeard, Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:27 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

read the OP, if you want to get in line I'll sign you up. Any era of west coast hip hop goes. Just whatever you think dylannn would like or whatever you'd be interested in hearing his thoughts on.

Also some dude feel free to jump in on these as well as I think it would be cool to read a couple different angles.

OP of this thread is blowing my mind

oh is it confusing?

Also shakey I'm signing you up cos this is your wheelhouse. You have no choice in the matter btw.

lol no it's not confusing just the whole dismissal of entire subgenre thing

was thinking of preparing some long response to the pimping thing upthread (ie Too $hort) but don't have time at the moment

Yeah I was v surprised given how extensive his knowledge is in other regions of hh. xp

Yeah I havent had a chunk of time to respond to that yet either but I didnt want it to go undiscussed like it has.

like, i guess it's including authenticity as a big part of evaluating something + being convinced
by the authenticity of the lyrics and persona + having a visceral reaction to the realities of farming out pussy to paying customers. like i said, i found my reaction to be wrongheaded and i definitely understand the character of the pimp, the history of it, what sort of persona suga free is trying to create, and my own personal attitude about slapping broads and shit on records is fairly liberal-- i was just temporarily shocked by the ugliness of it, just settin there thinking about it, letting the first track play.

even if i was feeling suga free by the end of it, the character of the pimp, the ruthless trickster that uses his lyrical game to control broads, dressed up right head tight... it really doesn't appeal to me, personally. i dunno. suga free seems kind of effeminate to me.

oh yeah the effeminate thing for sure, them dudes are pretty. Quik used to get thrown at him as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Rnwi5w-oA

I dont think you were wrongheaded to look at it that way and it sounds like my rec played into your pre-concieved negative connotations of the genre, like well here we go siiiigh.

these blackalicious aren't pimps too, are they?

"gift of gab"

ha no, FAAAAAr from pimps

are you gonna listen to that one?

yeah, why not? i know blackalicious from ilm circa 2004, campus radio hip-hop shows and living in vancouver, where there's a huge amount of love for... you know... whatever blackalicious is.

i can't understand what they're saying :(

Yeah do it. Just out of order but whatever, if you're feeling froggy.

Quik used to get *THAT thrown at him as well. xxxxxxp

blackalicious - blazing arrow

PROBLEMS

PROBLEM #1 -- just from a music writing point of view, i have bad memories of reading about blackalicious in shit written by old dudes that thought rap died with it takes a nation or de la is dead. the way that rap releases are written about in 2013 is really different from the way they were written about in 2003, but i still carry that resentment about reading about blackalicious carrying the torch for positive, musically adventurous true school real deal hip-hop. nobody bothered writing seriously about a lot of albums i really love or just straight up shitted on them. that's not blackalicious' fault, is it? but i recoiled from rap like this and i'll never be able to approach it without prejudice.

PROBLEM #2 -- i cut for realism, attempting accurate as possible descriptions of the bullshit of everyday life. houston rap, i like that attention to the quotidian details, the microscopic gaze turned on the day-to-day, making something beautiful out of the squeak of styrofoam cups and sweat on a fresh polo shirt, sun shining down on a parking lot, the smell of a swisher sweet. i love attention to authentic details. like on some cormac mccarthy shit noting not just that he pulled out in a muscle car but that it was a plymouth barracuda with such and such a blower on it such and such rear end. i like the details. what makes a dope storytelling track like "shootouts" so ill is the details, recording the scene on a sony handicam, what they were eating at the barbecue, what kind of gun nas sent his man to grab.

i really can't appreciate this use of wordplay to enjoy the sound of the wordplay, if that makes sense. like "paragraph president," i don't get it. "prone to leave your dome blown poem after poem, homes / jones for the tones roam with me turn your motor on," it's cool, i guess, because it's fasst and plays with assonance. but straight up the whole thing just leaves me kinda cold.

PROBLEM #3 -- i can't understand what they're saying and when i can, i have no idea what they're talking about. something about neutron bombs????

PROBLEM #4 -- the musical allusions and references seem sort of reactionary and dated to me. i'm nostalgic for "tha crossroads" and "feel so good" not... whatever they're into. some of it sounds like "fly like an eagle."

I remember liking this at the time but tried last night and couldn't even get through it. Make You Feel that Way is an alright nostalgia cut but problems 1-4 otm.

thanks dylannn. always love your posts. now i wanna hear mozzy. can i go way obvious and suggest vince staples 'summertime '06'?