Ooh Ooh Ooh, Complete CLASH POLL (that's a laugh) - ILX Artist Poll #41 (?) - Voting Ends July 9th at Midnight (EST)

I really tried to rein in the LC love too, but I know I was lying to myself. I also tried to excise some of their singles, 'til I realised that was just being stupid.

I tried to not let Sandinista dominate my ballot

My album breakdown (at least as I define "album")

The Clash (US): 6
Rope: 3
Black Market: 2
London: 9
Sandinista: 4
Combat: 4
Crap: 1
Non-album: 1

This ballot was surprisingly easy for me because I had 20-some tracks that were just absolutely going to be on there, no question. So I only really had to make hard calls about 7 or 8 (out of 40-plus more that were serious contenders).

Yeah, I'm not even sure I could hazard a stab at this.

Hazard it!

Deadline is today? No way.

You're kidding me Josh, you've got to do this. You're only like 3% of the electorate at this point anyway.

Well you really have until tomorrow afternoon.

You don't have to think about it too hard. The Clash is a feeling, man.

I feel like voting for everything except two or three tracks.

Oh, I can do it later, I guess.

I left "Train in Vain" off and feel no regrets.

I'll go to bat for Death Or Glory. I'm a sucker for anthems. It's their Born To Run for me.

On that note, I think they played the song all of maybe 5 times? How did that happen? It was pretty great each time, too. It seems like a bizarre setlist omission to me, to not play Death Or Glory and let Paul Simonon stagger through increasingly painful versions of Guns Of Brixton.

Well, it's *his* song, innit?

Then again, Topper never sang his one, did he? (Ivan/GI Joe)

Also, I wanna put Three Card Trick on my top 30, based on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1gWBPRXGJ0

Don't think I can though because the studio version isn't even in the same ballpark. To this day I'm amazed at Cut The Crap. I like most of the songs better than Combat Rock, but then they just systematically ruined everything in ways I didn't even think were possible. Guitar tone ruined, solid drummer replaced with drum machine, 1985 keyboards all over the place. Great songs deleted and replaced with last-minute songs that barely qualify as music. Pitch-shifted vocals for no reason. How does Jericho and In The Pouring Rain not make that album and Play To Win does? It boggles the mind.

Topper sings "Ivan Meets GI Joe" on that Amsterdam 81 show I was raving about upthread. It's a really strong performance actually.

Probably because they couldn't't be made to fit the blueprint..

I do have a Clash2 boot it's pretty great

xpost wtyg

I got given redund notice at one place of work, and accidentally on my last 2 days I got given unfettered internet, like really fast broadband when I find't have it at home. I downloaded tons from The Clash Zone, fully expecting that it would't be there long (I was right, it's long gone now)

I've got my good speakers on tonight and hearing unexpected really low vocal parts on I'm Not Down and Guns Of Brixton, almost like growls and barks. They're new to me anyway. With that and the weird mixing that brings out all these hidden hooks (as noted upthread), LC's production is impeccable.

A friend of mine saw Clash2, and had seen Clash1 w/ Chimes in '82. He said both shows were equally great, and even gave a slight edge to Clash2 (for the drumming). When he heard CtC he was profoundly baffled and disappointed; nothing in the Clash2 show indicated a new album would be anything but great.

Clash 2 was a joy for awhile. They sounded great with two guitarists--sounded like a return to Give 'Em Enough Rope, which is my favorite Clash album. They even fixed some songs that Clash 1 couldn't pull off. Even Guns of Brixton sounded pretty damn good. Extremely tight and energetic. It's too bad they didn't make a record (who even plays on CTC? I think Vince White, Paul Simonon and Pete Howard are all AWOL).

My only criticism of Clash 2 as a touring unit is that for awhile they tried to do Mick's songs with one of the new guitarists and let Paul Simonon sing Police On My Back and What's My Name, which teetered on horrific.

Is Bee OK reading this thread? Could Bee OK e-mail the poll because I *DON'T* have an embarrassingly stupid question about calculating results no no I don't.

cf Death or Glory imo. expect it'll tank in this poll

That would be a shame, as it's one of the greatest songs of all time.

In addition, everyone should double check their ballots to ensure that Hateful is near the top.

39 ballots

Almost done with mine.

starting mine now!

40+ is going to produce a good set of results, esp with 30- track ballots.

Is Bee OK reading this thread? Could Bee OK e-mail the poll because I *DON'T* have an embarrassingly stupid question about calculating results no no I don't.

yes i am. what do you need?

are you looking for this?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Alm9ijj_zohtdDhKV1NraFUtWXptd25nbEZ0cGxYeXc#gid=0

Ah. I was just wondering how you divvied up the points starting at 50 as you did in the New Order poll.

voted!

also sidenote: I really hate the US version of the s/t

track organization is bollocks. BOLLOCKS I say. Not opening that album with Janie Jones is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.

wish I had voted for more Give Em Enough Rope but I didn't want to pore over it too much. Go with me gut, that's the Clash way

oh...this is how i did it

Usual scoring method (1:50, 2:46, 3:43, 4:40…) will be applied.

I like about half of GEER, but as its the half that is made up of the singles/most frequently anthologized tracks, I never find any need to listen to the record itself.

(sigh) Sent.

sorry, i should have emailed you.

looking forward to these results Gukbe!

also sidenote: I really hate the US version of the s/t

track organization is bollocks. BOLLOCKS I say. Not opening that album with Janie Jones is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:47 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd been listening to this for about five years before I knew it was different from the UK version, much less that it was recorded over a 2-year period. Because the first song was "Clash City Rockers," and because it sounded like "I Can't Explain," I instantly became a Clash fan for life. The UK version, great as it is, always sounded lacking by comparison.

It's like the US Beatles records: I'll take The Beatles' Second Album over With The Beatles in a heartbeat.

wtf tarfumes I thought we were friends

D:

haha :)

I love the UK version, but any record with "Complete Control" is better than any record without it.

^^^

How I break it down to an extent.

uhh, first the raiders, now this, vg. :)

Delving further into my love for the US s/t, I remember really clearly my dad bringing that album home from the local library in I guess probably 1979 or '80. The first thing there is the improbability of that album being at our local library, which was a dusty small-town place in remote Finger Lakes New York. Dad was a '60s rock guy, straight-up Dylan/Beatles/Stones, but he wascurious enough about the whole punk thing to get this record out of the library. I was 10 years old and just completely fascinated by the album. I already knew the Bobby Fuller version of "I Fought the Law," but I loved how much faster and noisier the Clash version was. The rest of the album just sounded like fast noise to me, but fast noise is pretty appealing to a 10-year-old. I spent a while listening to it and looking at the picture of policemen on the back running to some kind of emergency that was obviously created by the scary/cool guys on the front. Then the album went back to the library, and it was probably four years or so before I got back around to buying my own copy. I made a cassette dub of it, and I listened to it on the school bus, sometimes every day for days at a stretch. I had all the other albums too, and loved them, but that particular collection of songs and sounds has always felt like something personal to me. It planted some ideas for me that I think opened up a whole lot of things. And song for song, I'd put it up against anything.

us version was the first lp i ever bought (on cassette)!

catalogs tyrannies of class and commerce on its way to a long hard look in the mirror at the subtle tyranny of narrative and the personal cost of punk mythmaking.

So well put. I take the uplift outro to mean "Don't mythologize, organize," but the song seems almost stranded with those hopeless dads and bands until Strummer adds his political version of "won't you give me a smile?" and then let's it build into something more. The Clash made optimism seem tough.

"Clash City Rockers" is the only song appended to the U.S. version that pales besides the others. As for the britishes version, I don't "Protex Blue" or "Deny" tbh.

Man, the piano on "Clash City Rockers" alone ... I just love that song.

Also one of Joe's greatest vocals, pure snarl.