UK has plenty of classic rock stations, is this only a thing since digital or something?
― darraghmac, Monday, 12 August 2013 06:34 (eleven years ago) link
flashpoint is good! i will assume then that the situation is kind of like if steve albini was a crime scene tech on a cbs police procedural xp
― j., Monday, 12 August 2013 06:36 (eleven years ago) link
yes they never existed here before digital.
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
what do working class 'blokes' in the uk listen to when they're on a job site or driving around in their lorries?
Talksport but, yeah, how would anyone on ILX know the answer to that question?
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Monday, 12 August 2013 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
Finger Eleven had a big US hit with "Paralyser".
Are you in Regina, dylannn? My friend from Edmonton had the opposite culture shock when he moved to Toronto, which has no country station.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
Josefa, I guess I don't exactly see the preservation of a rock tradition as being DEFINED by opposition to other styles, in the way that I don't think conservatories are defined by an opposition to jazz or pop. Also, the Ottawa station, which does identify as a classic rock station, does play plenty of modern rock, including e.g. Green Day.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
"AOR doesn't need James Brown because Led Zeppelin did "The Crunge." AOR doesn't need Stevie Wonder because Led Zeppelin did "Trampled Under Foot." Led Zeppelin did everything, so it's just easier to play them all the time."---in its time, AOR was also known, not unfairly, as apartheid oriented rock. alternative rock stations weren't any different or any better. lots of dance music by white british people and not a lot of dance music by anybody else. lots of beastie boys and not any hip-hop whatsoever by anybody else. the continuing racism of classic rock is self-perpetuating. the longer they don't play james brown or stevie wonder or p-funk or prince, the more they'll cement an audience that doesn't want to hear it.― fact checking cuz, Monday, August 12, 2013 2:28 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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in its time, AOR was also known, not unfairly, as apartheid oriented rock. alternative rock stations weren't any different or any better. lots of dance music by white british people and not a lot of dance music by anybody else. lots of beastie boys and not any hip-hop whatsoever by anybody else. the continuing racism of classic rock is self-perpetuating. the longer they don't play james brown or stevie wonder or p-funk or prince, the more they'll cement an audience that doesn't want to hear it.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, August 12, 2013 2:28 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
is this true then that US classic rock stations were basically racist?
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 15:18 (eleven years ago) link
re blokes in vans, last week I was walking to the train station and a middle-aged bloke in white Transit came by blaring out We Call It Acieeed by D-Mob, so maybe the UK equiv to classic rock radio is a Kiss FM Oldies channel?
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Monday, 12 August 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
yep. sexist too.
― joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 August 2013 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
But they'll whip out Hendrix and Phil Lynott in their defense whenever prodded.
― Here's the storify, of a lovely ladify (Phil D.), Monday, 12 August 2013 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
I cant say I ever recall any UK radio stations playing mainly white artists
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
re white van/cabbies etc round here younger ones seem to blast out either radio 1 or clyde 1 (commercial radio equivalent.) Older ones like "Real Radio" which is basically a mostly 80s version of radio 1/clyde 1. I can imagine talksport being popular in an all-bloke environment though like tom d said.
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.realradio-scotland.co.uk/
Love Live Music Currently Playing
Michael Buble: Haven't Met You Yet
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.realradio-scotland.co.uk/shows
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
does Real Radio exist down south?
Arguably, the distinction between 'rock' and 'R&B' since the 60s is itself based more on social/racial factors than musical ones, considering that Led Zeppelin probably has more in common with Funkadelic than with Bob Dylan. Did this become more cemented with AOR then? My understanding is that freeform stations still played e.g. jazz and blues.
Xposts
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone here old enough to remember the 70s so they can tell me if more rock was played on say radio 1 than in the 80s? How much airplay did heavy rock/punk actually get? Im assuming commercial radio of the time ignored it like they always did.
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
I guess I don't exactly see the preservation of a rock tradition as being DEFINED by opposition to other styles
No, I don't either. First of all, I'm talking here about the AOR/Classic Rock tradition, not a rock tradition as defined in other ways. I'm saying the AOR format defined itself, early on, as a narrow playlist of songs plus strict guidelines that would allow certain reasonably familiar-sounding new songs to be accepted into the playlist every year. Disco was considered too different from the originally defined sound to be absorbed, and somewhat more surprisingly, so was punk rock. Rap never had a chance. I said AOR was built to "reject" aberrant styles, but perhaps reject is too strong a word and "ignore" is better.
― Josefa, Monday, 12 August 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, I'm fine with "ignore".
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
classic rock certainly not the default listen for UK working class dudes, most peeps i know listen to oldies pop, dance, ska etc
― failed skirty tropes (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
yeah same. happy hardcore type stuff is still the chosen genre of some of my old mates from when i moved here.
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
OMG happy hardcore and ska! Trying to imagine that on a construction site, failing.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
builder friend of mine can name year of release with pinpoint accuracy cos it ties in to wherever he was working at the time
― failed skirty tropes (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
Atm, I am sitting in an office filled with construction and forestry partsmen. Am willing to wager that no one here knows what happy hardcore is.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
lucky them sund4r
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
its what most people my age listened to in the 90s here.
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:19 (eleven years ago) link
thought sndr was working with 'pastry salesmen', had a moment of wonkalike glee : (
― j., Monday, 12 August 2013 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
Classic rock stations have historically been hesitant to add 1990s rock such as alternative rock and grunge to their playlists, due in part to the drastic difference in style, but (mirroring a similar trend in classic country, where a similar 1990-era divide also exists) a small number of classic rock stations began adding 1990s music in the early 2010s.[
So at what point will classic rock radio abandon the past and start playing post 1990 music only instead?
The classic rock format is mainly tailored to the adult male demographic, primarily ages 25–34, but also has a significant base in the 18–24 and 35–44 year old demographics as well.
Really? I assumed classic rock radio would be mainly 40+ (or nearer 50+) Surprised its so popular in the 18-34 range.
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
It's the default for a large demographic. That's what we're trying to tell you.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
cars, dude
― j., Monday, 12 August 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
12-year-olds who take guitar lessons typically still want to learn classic Purp/Zep/Ozzy/AC/DC/Cream riffs.
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― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
Used to hear music students idly playing Rush tunes to unwind all the time around the building in Windsor.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
i suppose its no different to kids reading mojo and wanting to sound like oasis/beatles/stones etc
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
Lol at 'drastic difference in style' between 90s alt and classic rock.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
"Can't hack this Badmotorfinger bullshit. Give me my Sabbath vinyl."
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
* nb some of these dudes are not exactly dudes and if you put on anything other than the country station you're gonna git somethin done to you
wait a min, so in certain parts if you listened to metallica or ted nugent or ac/dc you would get beaten up and/or called a "faggot" ?
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
hearing a classic rock station sneak Stone Temple Pilots into their night rotation is pretty jarring tbh
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
ted nugent is country enough
Arguably, the distinction between 'rock' and 'R&B' since the 60s is itself based more on social/racial factors than musical ones, considering that Led Zeppelin probably has more in common with Funkadelic than with Bob Dylan. Did this become more cemented with AOR then?
I would bet on it.
Even MTV didn't play black music before Thriller and only begrudgingly from then on. That's a well-told story.
You can also pick up a CREEM magazine from the mid-1970s and see David Bowie or the Stones being voted "R&B artist of the Year" in the Readers Poll.
It's a really interesting subject, because in the early 1960s people thought black & white music were merging.. they even stopped doing the R&B chart in 1964. Then it all changed back.
― Josefa, Monday, 12 August 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
no no no, just that the pure country dudes can kind of hold themselves apart a bit xxp
― j., Monday, 12 August 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like some Classic Rock stations were AOR stations that morphed into CR as their audience aged. There was a station in my town that back in the late 70s played all current rock (Squire, Dio era Sabb, zep, etc.) and by the early 90s was playing that same stuff, after a decade of trying to stay current with stuff like Motley Crue and Jeff Healey, but with 70s stuff increasingly taking over the playlists.
― President Keyes, Monday, 12 August 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
why?
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like some Classic Rock stations were AOR stations that morphed into CR as their audience aged.
that is what I assumed tbh
people be racist?
xp
― joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
I'm reading Elijah Wald's book, which covers this subject.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
its funny as AOR has always meant Adult Orientated Rock in the UK. As noodle vague can testify Kerrang/Raw in the mid 80s were really into it and acts like Magnum were playing the big arenas (despite little airplay). Music mags basically kept rock alive here I think.
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
Called How the Beatles Destroyed Rock and Roll
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
Why did it change or why did they stop doing the R&B chart?
Billboard stopped doing the R&B chart because it had started to overlap too much with their Pop chart and therefore was deemed superfluous.
Why did the trend reverse is a big question that I wish someone would research and write a book about. I suspect it has to do with marketing, and streamlining the selling of records.
― Josefa, Monday, 12 August 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
Most of this stuff didn't get played on radio here, were all these staples of aor/classic rock radio at the time?
Kerrang 1988 The Best AOR Albums Of All Time(as per the readers of Kerrang! magazine back on October 29, 1988)
1. Escape - Journey2. Everybodys Crazy - Michael Bolton3. Night Of The Crime - Icon4. Native Sons - Strangeways5. Raised On Radio - Journey6. White Sister - White Sister7. Heart - Heart8. Fashion By Passion - White Sister9. Vital Signs - Survivor10. Slippery When Wet - Bon Jovi11. Michael Bolton - Michael Bolton12. In For The Count - Balance13. Pride - White Lion14. Dawn Patrol - Night Ranger =. 4 - Foreigner15. The Hunger - Michael Bolton16. Reckless - Bryan Adams17. Indiscreet - FM18. Bad Animals - Heart19. Boston - Boston20. Frontiers - Journey21. Seven Wishes - Night Ranger = Bon Jovi - Bon Jovi22. Only Child - Only Child = Freight Train Heart - Jimmy Barnes = A Matter Of Attitude - Fate23. Spys - Spys24. Heartbreak - Sabu25. Crimes In Mind - Streets26. Hughes Thrall - Hughes Thrall27. The Big Prize - Honeymoon Suite = Excess All Areas - Shy28. Touch - Touch29. Hysteria - Def Leppard30. Sinful - Angel = Aviator - Aviator31. Under Lock And Key - Dokken32. Silk+Steel - Giuffria = When Seconds Count - Survivor33. IV - Toto34. The Grand Illusion - Styx = A Diamond Is A Hard Rock - Legs Diamond = So Fired Up - LeRoux = Midnight Madness - Night Ranger = Wired Up - Jeff Paris35. Dreamboat Annie - Heart =. On A Storyteller's Night - Magnum36. Fireworks - Bonfire = Rumors - Fleetwood Mac37. Subject - Aldo Nova = Ignition - John Waite = Giuffria - Giuffria38. Friction - Coney Hatch = Pieces Of Eight - Styx = Isolation - Toto39. The Final Countdown - Europe40. Welcome To The Real World - Mr. Mister = Alpha - Asia = Shaft Of Light - Airraces :-)
― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
Bros working on the parking garage next door have been listening to classic rock (np: Pink Floyd - "Run Like Hell") all day. I just had a chuckle imagining them working to happy hardcore.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 16:11 (nine years ago) link
taglines like "Classic rock that rocks", "New Zealand's real rock station", "Just great rock", "We Endorse This Music", etc
Do any American CR stations have obnoxious taglines? Like defend-the-Alamo type stuff?
Or is it just The Sound in New Zealand? It began as a competitor to Hauraki and The Rock, both of which are (now) mostly focused on the last 30 years. It seems like Hauraki removed a lot of the older rock it used to play, in response to The Sound grabbing that audience. You wouldn't expect MGMT and Amy Winehouse on Hauraki, but there they are.
Then there's The Sound. The Completely New No-Hype station!! Which is why their slogans have been "Less Lady Gaga, More Radio Gaga" "Keeping our music alive", and "This is the greatest music ever written"... Not that there's anything *wrong* with a white Anglicised '70s time-warp, but it makes it a bit unlikable altogether.
I wonder which listeners really believe The Who and Genesis are endangered music :) They should've just called it "Your Vinyl Collection, With Ads". Someone buy them a Herbs record, or something...
Highly debatable. The UK has never come up with anything as ancestor worshipping as 'classic rock' radio.
Yeah we did.
''The inhabitants of Britain originally worshipped their ancestors''
That truly was the golden age...
― flyingtrain (sbahnhof), Thursday, 13 August 2015 00:08 (nine years ago) link
I just had a chuckle imagining them working to happy hardcore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBuehLCn_XE
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Thursday, 13 August 2015 07:23 (nine years ago) link