comparing the evolution of 'classic rock' between uk and usa

does hendrix even get played much on classic rock radio these days?

I don't think I agree with that. xp re: country

I don't even think a lot of early Zep is worlds away from "Super Stupid".

But yeah, if BTO and Bryan Adams are more central to classic rock than Hendrix is these days, then it may be true that Funkadelic is more different than I was thinking.

If they play Hendrix then they could play this

sure, they could play Super Stupid, in the same way that an oldies station could play Sunday Morning by VU. But they're not going to do it for obvious reasons.

super stupid's lack of a chorus hook might reduce it's playability even if it had been made by led zeppelin.

but more importantly it wasn't a hit. nobody knows that song. and the whole point of the format is to play familiar hits.

A lot of Zeppelin songs don't have choruses, including e.g. the AM hit "Black Dog". Jimmy Page has talked about it.

Well, "Super Stupid" was originally pulled out in response to the suggestion that Funkadelic sounds very different from what gets played on classic rock radio. You're right that it wasn't a hit but I do think that there's a fair bit of music that was popular that could fit into the format but that gets slotted in different categories for extra-musical reasons. That's all my point was, originally.

this station is horribly popular up here too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/105.2_Smooth_Radio
along with Real Radio its the choice of all the drivers in the taxis I've ever been in.

rest of UK version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smooth_Radio

What do you think re country, crut? You probably listen to more country than I do. To me, New Country seems like the more obvious descendant of stuff like the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Mellencamp, Bon Jovi, ... than modern rock radio does. "Need You Now" made me think of Fleetwood Mac right away the first time I heard it.

Like, I think if people grew up hearing Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, James Brown, Van Halen, and Prince on the same station, it might seem as intuitive as hearing Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, the Police, Van Halen, and Don Henley on the same station seems.

Yes but that didn't really happen in the US.

Yeah, we agree that it's not the reality of the actual situation.

I mean I guess the interesting question is what will the new nostalgia format look like in 30 years if such a thing still exists? Will it be kind of like "rhythmic top 40" and combine the more upbeat, dancey side of top 40 hits with some crossover hip hop and EDM stuff? Will it be geared to more of a female audience? Or will such a format be unnecessary since the top 40 charts will essentially sound the same?

Kerrang! Radio Playlist - W/C 29th July 2013

A List

Stereophonics – We Share The Same Sun
Airbourne – No One Fits Me Better (Than You)
Pearl Jam - Mind Your Manners
Fall Out Boy – Alone Together
Kings Of Leon - Supersoaker
BRMC – Hate The Taste
Stonesour – The Uncanny Valley

B List

Queens Of The Stone Age – I Sat By The Ocean
Stonesour – The Uncanny Valley
Arctic Monkeys – Do I Wanna Know
Nine Inch Nails – Came Back Haunted
Bullet For My Valentine – Breaking point
Volbeat – Lola Montez
Tonight Alive – The Ocean
Black Sabbath – End Of The Beginning
BRMC – Hate The Taste
Frank Turner – Losing Days - NEW
Avenged Sevenfold – Hail To The King

K! Nights

Forever The Sickest Kids – Chin Up Kid
The Hype Theory – Reverie
Blitz Kids – Run For Cover
Rival Sons - You Want To
Killswitch Engage – Always
Falling In Reverse – Rolling Stone
Turisas – For Your Own Good
Enter Shikari - Radiate
Panic! At The Disco – Miss Jackson - NEW
Letlive – Dreamer’s Disease- NEW
Zebrahead – Call Your Friends- NEW
We Came As Romans – Fade Away- NEW
Black Spiders – Balls- NEW
The Winery Dogs - Elevate- NEW
Drenge – Face Like A Skull- NEW

or http://www.planetrock.com/music/

A comprehensive list of bands that get played on Planet Rock
http://www.planetrock.com/music/artist-pages/

i assume a large majority of those are us classic rock radio staples? (plus british crap)

xxxpost well, I thought all those 80s nostalgia stations that play Cyndi Lauper and a-ha all the time were a soccer mom-targeted version of the classic rock format.

do women in general tend to stay more current with their musical tastes? or is that just because top 40 tends to be aimed at women?

it is?

well women buy more music than men so yeah

Top 40 def is in North America.

Here our top 40 is seen as music for teenage/pre-teen girls yet apparently the average age of a radio 1 listener is 32

I dunno if this is out of date or not but it doesnt even mention kerrang or planet rock
http://www.radiostations.co.uk/rock/

just found this
http://absoluteclassicrock.co.uk/

More rock, every hour, than any other radio station

On Absolute Classic Rock, you'll hear classics from Led Zeppelin, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Queen and more of Britain's finest, plus the best from the rest of the world.

Listen to Absolute Classic Rock online, on mobile, on digital radio, Sky and Virgin Media.
Haven't Heard It For Ages

Tell us who you are, what you're up to, what you want to hear and why. Then listen out for your track on Absolute Classic Rock!

- now playing Def Leppard - Hysteria

i want noodle vague to request Grendel ;)

oh it seems real radio has a classic rock station too
http://www.realradioxs.co.uk/

I found my dab radio the other day should I give these stations a shot and report back? Or will I just want to kill myself if I listen?

think i'll give http://www.arfm.co.uk a miss
http://www.arfm.co.uk/images/Songfromthesouth.png

Paul Chamberlain’s transition of musical interest from pop and glam rock began in 1973 when he heard the late Alan (Fluff) Freeman play Hendrix's 'Star Spangled Banner' one Saturday afternoon on the BBC.

At a impressionable 14 years of age, a flirtation with progressive rock followed, particularly with 'Emerson, Lake & Palmer', 'King Crimson' 'Pink Floyd' and 'Yes', until a year later a school friend played Paul 'Burn', the then new album from Deep Purple, and since then his thirst for rock has been unquenchable.

After leaving school, Paul worked in photographic retail by day, and frequented clubs, pubs, and larger venues in and around London by night, he even roadied briefly for a Leeds based all-female new wave band.

In the early eighties Paul chanced upon a North London radio station and, after being invited to look around, was duped into making a demo that was broadcast that weekend. He was invited to join the team and from the outset sought to bring more than the mainstream to his shows. Bands that were rarely heard on the UK shores like Molly Hatchet and Doc Holliday

A few months later, Paul joined an Essex based station and met Steve Price. A huge friendship and mutual crusade of rock music 'Southern' ensued. Paul also had his own project as well. Eventually, all good things came to an end.

By the early nineties, Paul was self employed as a photographer and moved to the Essex coast. When the work dried up, he was presented with the opportunity to work with disabled children.

In 2002, Paul moved back to the family home in Chingford and worked at a day care centre for adults and children with special needs and disabilities, experience which would prove invaluable closer to home just eight years later.

He has also studied -and is now qualified - as a publishing editor, which will be handy if Paul ever writes his memoirs.

Paul has spent some time in the southeast United States and has met many of the bands featured on his shows. Would he consider living there?

“As much as I love Florida, especially away from the theme parks, I would probably settle near Helen, Georgia at the base of The Appalachians. The State lines of Tennessee, North Carolina and even Alabama are within easy driving distance and the scenery is breathtaking, especially when you drive through the Great Smoky Mountains. It must appeal to the hillbilly in me!”

“I love travelling around away from the tourist hotspots. April and I called into a McDonalds somewhere in North Carolina once and our accent stopped the traffic. I guess they don’t get many Brits passing through. Even in a restaurant in St. Augustine, Florida locals were coming up to our table just to talk to us. Everyone is so welcoming over there.”

Paul’s Southern musical influences are classic bands like Blackfoot, The Allman Brothers Band, Outlaws, Molly Hatchet, .38 Special, Doc Holliday and Lynyrd Skynyrd plus new talent such as Preacher Stone and Hogjaw.

My husband always has Real Radio XS on in the car, and they are always playing Ace of Spades.

I turned on Kerrang radio for 10 mins earlier and it was no different to the worst of 6music or xfm. No rock to be found in the 3 songs I heard before i had to switch off.

Like, I think if people grew up hearing Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, James Brown, Van Halen, and Prince on the same station, it might seem as intuitive as hearing Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, the Police, Van Halen, and Don Henley on the same station seems.

Previous thread relevant to the aesthetic chasms already present in the CR format:

Classic Rock Radio Is Really Wierd When You Think About It

I never really thought of this radio format as being politically right-leaning, though.

fwiw that guy is otm about the great smoky mountains

Heard the single edit of "Whole Lotta Love" on the Jack station today. It's a much more boring song without the entire middle section! If there's a case to be made for the CR format, this has to be it.

marilyn manson will probably fill the next generation's campy gay metal role. i guess that's all "normal" is really. Working Joe's parents probably hated metal as much as Joe hates rap. The Circle of Life completes itself.

― matlewis, Friday, April 1, 2005 1:41 PM (8 years ago)

other thread dude otm

Are there any Classic Alt. Rock stations yet?

I dont mean modern rock stations stuck in the 90s I mean an actual Classic Alt. Rock format like Classic Rock?

Nakh do you listen to radio?

no

Forever The Sickest Kids – Chin Up Kid
The Hype Theory – Reverie
Blitz Kids – Run For Cover
Rival Sons - You Want To
Killswitch Engage – Always
Falling In Reverse – Rolling Stone
Turisas – For Your Own Good
Enter Shikari - Radiate
Panic! At The Disco – Miss Jackson - NEW
Letlive – Dreamer’s Disease- NEW
Zebrahead – Call Your Friends- NEW
We Came As Romans – Fade Away- NEW
Black Spiders – Balls- NEW
The Winery Dogs - Elevate- NEW
Drenge – Face Like A Skull- NEW

― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 00:31 (4 days ago)

idk what the any of this is, except killswitch & enter shikari

Melodic metalcore is a fusion genre blending traits with metalcore and melodic death metal, which combines sounds and traits from both genres.[1] It has melodic guitar riffs, blast beats, metalcore-stylized breakdowns and vocals that can range between growls, screaming and clean singing.

if that's the Outkast track then me and P!atD are no longer friends

When asked about the band's main influences, Mike Portnoy commented that they are working towards a classic rock sound, influenced by Led Zeppelin, Cream, Jimi Hendrix, Grand Funk Railroad, slightly by Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Black Crowes and Lenny Kravitz.[1]

= the american version of

Everything from The Beatles, The Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan through to The Stone Roses, the Charlatans, Primal Scream, Ocean Colour Scene, Paul Weller, Oasis, Kasabian?

Drenge – Face Like A Skull- NEW

isnt that the band Tom Watson MP mentioned in his resignation letter to ed mil?

After spending the last three days driving across the Upper Midwest and Northern Ontario, I am feeling qualified to speak on FM rock radio formats in this stretch of mostly small-town North America. I am wondering if this might help clarify some of the discussions/arguments earlier.

So:

i) Proper bona fide classic rock stations that e.g. play Styx or Kansas on the hour and play nothing since the mid-80s and are well-described by this thread are still a staple pretty much everywhere in the US along this stretch. I don't think I actually came across one along this stretch in Ontario. They seem to have largely been phased out in favour of either a) stations named after carnivorous mammals (wolf, fox, or bear) that play Rush alongside Sam Roberts or the Tragically Hip or the Black Keys or b) stations named after monosyllabic male first names that play Golden Earring alongside Abba and Kool and the Gang.

The Wikipedia list of radio stations in Ontario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_stations_in_Ontario) lists 5 classic rock stations but 16 'classic hits' stations, 18 'active rock' stations, and 16 'adult hits' stations. Of those classic rock stations, I know that at least the Ottawa one plays plenty of 90s and 00s music as well. On the other hand, this list lists 22 classic rock stations, 32 classic hits stations, 7 adult hits stations, and 4 active rock stations.

ii) In the same way that a St Louis accent sounds more 'neutral' to me than my own, your classic rock format seems more 'normal' to me on some level. (Your classical music stations are kind of lame though.)

iii) I am a little intrigued as to whether this difference is indicative of a trend that will eventually spread to the US or whether it is due to the fact that Canadian stations have to play a quota of Canadian music, which didn't really come into its own until after rock's classic period.

iv) The White Stripes and Black Keys have a remarkable ability to blend in so well on the a) sort of station that until the obvious hook enters, I sometimes can't tell whether I'm hearing a 70s song or a recent one.

v) Most interestingly, oldies stations that plays 50s and 60s pop are still a real thing on FM radio in the US. I haven't come across one in Canada in 20 years, I don't think. (According to Wiki, they still exist on the AM dial.) Some stations CALL themselves oldies stations but are basically in this format.

Also, this is my new favourite radio programme:
http://www.prairiepublic.org/radio/radio-programs-a-z/friday-night-swing/

Most interestingly, oldies stations that plays 50s and 60s pop are still a real thing on FM radio
in the US.

there are stations that switch to an all-christmas music format during the holiday season where they play modern favorites like mariah but otherwise it's heavy on classics from the 50s/60s and earlier.