man does whiney make six figures? crazy
― flopson, Monday, 19 August 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
Whiney G. B.M.F. Weingarten
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 August 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
we're not doing anything that's helping anyone."
this just made me realize that whiney and john roderick in the same room together would make the universe collapse
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
The SR video series is entertaining. He only seems to _write in half-formed caps lock metaphors these days but in video form the arguments were engaging whether I agreed or not.
― abcfsk, Monday, 19 August 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
there's definitely a mumblecore lester bangs vibe that can be amusing when he's informing rather than seething
― da croupier, Monday, 19 August 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
if he honestly wanted to spotlight cool random shit rather than bitch about how stupid other writers are those videos would be dope, but the level of transparent resentment is just so high
― da croupier, Monday, 19 August 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
'they don't care about music -- they just want attention'
― mookieproof, Monday, 19 August 2013 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
tynan delong meets mark david chapman
― balls, Monday, 19 August 2013 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
like many an ilxor, i have no right to call out anybody who decided/accepted that making a life of profesh music crit was for the birds/not for them, but clearly doesn't have better things to do than gawk and snark from the sideline. but making a series of web vids about how wrong, wrong, wrong everybody is while crowing about how you've got a real deal grade a middle class life while gay-baiting the dude from grizzly bear (and @ing other critics to make sure they know you're doing it) is just...yeesh.
― da croupier, Monday, 19 August 2013 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
also I'm pretty sure people do in fact want more top 10 lists
― wk, Monday, 19 August 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
This whole thing made me realise this generation of kids will be able to browse the twitter's history of their parents and really, daddy? ed droste?
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 August 2013 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
This guy is a bitter fool.
― van smack, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
can't believe a dude with opinions is running around writing about music
― beans on toast and ghosts (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
i think that's ott's position towards everyone else, is the thing
― some dude, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
wk otm
― R'LIAH (goole), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
this is a lot more entertaining if you imagine that there's a loaded handgun on the table in front of himso good― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, August 19, 2013 7:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
so good
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, August 19, 2013 7:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
― marcos, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 05:26 (eleven years ago) link
only way to view it imo
― marcos, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 05:27 (eleven years ago) link
Just watched some of his other videos. Very informative and interesting, tbf. Too bad he cant just stick to that kind of thing.
― Hooks on Phoenix worked for me (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
"We know how to read webtstats, son. *snicker* Yeah, we're BEGGING to inflate our worth. Money is made on valid stats, you think we fooled New Line Cinema with hocum? You. Are. Always (I can only assume). Wrong."
"page views, all these metrics that they use to sell advertising are completely worthless"
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 06:51 (eleven years ago) link
If you're so wizened with "the biz", Don, you know I can't discuss the particulars of any current negotiations, but they involve syndication. And dwarf SPIN and RS's readership combined.
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:37 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Book it.
― i'm walter white btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 12:05 (eleven years ago) link
"i just think people are tired of, um, people are tired of reading the same thing in 20 different places. i think they're tired of top ten lists. i feel like we've kinda failed... to do anything with the internet. we're not doing anything that's helping anyone."
This is as far as I got. Serious question: do other people get this emotional about this stuff?
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 12:32 (eleven years ago) link
o/
― i'm walter white btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 12:40 (eleven years ago) link
WHY DO YOU MOCK MY PAIN uh
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 12:53 (eleven years ago) link
won't someone please think of the internet?
― Neil S, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
― Tim F, Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:32 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
depends on what prescriptions they're taking, or what prescriptions they've stopped taking.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 13:10 (eleven years ago) link
"This whole thing made me realise this generation of kids will be able to browse the twitter's history of their parents and really, daddy? ed droste?"
OTM. Can't imagine that his kids or wife know anything about the recent nonsense, but I am embarrassed for them.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
Page views don't seem to be as important a metric for advertisers as they used to be
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah? what are they looking for?
― R'LIAH (goole), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
number of shares/likes ("engagement") & dwell time
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
page views are still the dominant metric only because much better ones (time on site for instance) are still in their infancy
but page views are so easily manipulated
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
you can't trust that shit
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
(time on site for instance) are still in their infancy
is it seen this way? this + ~engagement~ were my primary metrics last time i was doing this stuff for a gig & nobody complained, but that could be because because nobody understood what i was supposed to be doing anyway.
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
http://vimeo.com/51405581
"i mean you're looking at a guy in a basement"
― am0n, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
We are all of us in a basement, but some of us are looking at a guy in a basement.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
ugh, yeah, i'm not making fun of him anymore. all of a sudden i feel bad now. that vid is the last i need to see. i don't actually HATE him. i don't even know him. just that persona here and elsewhere. really rubs me the wrong way. that weary thing too in the videos. blah. weary of all the fuckin' bullshit, man. life is rough.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
that could be because because nobody understood what i was supposed to be doing anyway.
ding ding ding ding
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
Fader? FACT? Pitchfork? You know, you go all the way through to the really, um, editorially focused sites. You know, Collapse Board and these message boards. Um, ILM. You know, Pre-fix Mag. This just goes on and on and on. And…it just stretches everything way too thin.
― how's life, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
and i blame you guys too cuz i never think of this stuff unless you guys bring it up. i think i'm really just still mad at him dissing lansing-dreiden. that's really what it's all about.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
on a human level I sympathize with people who are sad and frustrated, but that doesn't license him to lash out at somebody else, and the gleeful wielding of the word "sunsetting" by a critic against a musician just reeks of free-floating resentimment against the object (Music) he supposedly is so passionate about. once you add in the homophobic animus that he pointed at ed, it's harder still to feel any sympathy.
just remember: the great thing about being a family man is that eventually the wife and kids go to sleep and you can get online and chat with cute gay guys
― the tune was space, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:31 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i dunno people tell us time on site, unique viewers, bounce rates etc are important, it's changed a lot in the last 5 years i think
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
& engagement as hoos said
We are all of us in a basement, but some of us are looking at a guy in a basement.― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:45 AM
sometimes the guy in the basement stares back is what youre saying
― am0n, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
his whole point in that vid is that there are too many portals and magazines and websites?? wtf that's not true.
― R'LIAH (goole), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
ok just emailed our head of ad sales and he said that unique visitors is by far the number one metric and page views is "secondary in terms of importance"
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
I'm really only going to worry if he crawls out of the screen with his hair in his eyes.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
vines are acceptable
no joke: I have no idea what they are.
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
tom selleck wants his mustache back
― am0n, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
and then his solution is writers like julian cope who have their own site? confusing stuff.
― wk, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
for once you're actually not missing anything
― wk, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2012/12/6/14/enhanced-buzz-9394-1354823884-4.jpghttp://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28600000/Ned-Flanders-ned-flanders-28668597-1000-1000.gif
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link