― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― buttch (Oops), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― buttch (Oops), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
Actually, along these lines I pulled out the Dif Juz Extractions album a couple months ago, and I think my motivation was exactly along the lines of trying to tease out any aesthetic connections with the nineties groups (atmospheric, instrumental music). But I really couldn't get into it, it seemed blander than the worst post-rock.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
actually the two biggest influences on the brits are probably mbv and ar kane
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
(Crossposting bitch!)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
Also, were the RT bands specifically trying to distance themselves by name from punk w/use of "post punk"? I don't know enough about the specifics of that world to know whether that was the case, or if it was a term bestowed by confused critics. From the stuff I've now read about post-rock, it seems an epithet that bands try to play down or disclaim; was post-punk different as a term? (Not trying to argue about this; I genuinely don't know at all.)
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
we must all not forget the influence of SAMPLING (i.e. the bomb squad) which perhaps ties back in with sasha's thread, hurrah!
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
I like this. :-)
Sampling! Jess ist un genius.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
But my question is simpler -- is there a lot of sampling visible (ouch, audible, I guess) in this ostensible post-rock community/world/canon?
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
But really, there is not much in common with jazz is there? (other than that blasted vibraphone, and the instrumental nature)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm not deriding the "post-rock" bands - I'm just trying to understand how much substance there is to that label and how much these bands really have in common. I can see why bands would have tried to disown this label: "post-rock" is much worse than "post-punk". "Post-punk" is straightforward enough, meaning bands that came after punk and drew on it. But "rock" is a much bigger target than "punk", and "post-rock" can't escape from its pretentious "rock is dead" implications. It also suggests that these bands are not making rock music, which is a dubious claim. "Rock" is a big umbrella - over the years it has accomodated bands as diverse as Faust, Can, Swell Maps, Captain Beefheart, Kraftwerk, and Supertramp - so to say that these recent bands are really sooo innovative and sooo different as to make them a new animal altogether seems unjustified, at least in many of the cases in which it's been applied.
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
what comes after a rock show? the DJ!
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm curious -- Weather Report:yes, others:no due to personal taste, or philosophical/aesthetic kinship?
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
Yeah, htstencil, there's a similar broadening of music and influences in these two groups of music, but the Rough Trade-rs were still operating from the emotional and political perspective of punk, just giving it more sophisticated and diverse musical setting. The post-rockers seem to aspire to professional artists/muso status by comparison, the emotion and politics (if at all) are consiously very muted...
― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
(70's Miles Davis doesn't seem to, but I always think of this as somehow unclassifiable, or beyond labelling. I guess some of this is subjective, surely.)
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
..."post-rock" can't escape from its pretentious "rock is dead" implications.
You might wanna blame the coiner of the phrase then (aka Mr. Simon Reynolds) and not the bands saddled with it.
The post-rockers seem to aspire to professional artists/muso status by comparison, the emotion and politics (if at all) are consiously very muted...
Uh, do you mean muted like a shredded American flag on the cover of Standards?
― hstencil, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
I do! As I wrote before, I don't blame the bands for trying to disown the tag. I think you're right about this turning out to be as hard to pin down as "post-modernism". In fact, both terms suffer from the same weakness - an inherent lack of substance. Both terms are defined in terms of what they are NOT. But lots of things are NOT modernism, just as lots of things are NOT rock. Therefore, before too long you find the term can be applied to just about anything.
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
oy, I meant "lame" in the literal sense of "ineffectual" or "weak", cause an (artfuly?) shredded american flag (particulary on an album cover) (of instrumental music) is an ambiguous symbol at best. I think it has as much political impact as the use of the american flag on the Black Crowe's "Amorica" album ;-)
And "valid" was not my word...
― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 17:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
This is Post RockLiving In A Post Rock NationPo 'StroXXX: VolumesIt's Only Post Rock To Me
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 18:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
(the term shoegazing alone annoys me)
― H (Heruy), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
well the comparison to post-modernism is completely valid, but I don't think that makes it useless. AT best, you could say that post-rock is a way to define a method or a mindframe rather than an actual recognizable signature sound. Maybe in that case the term cannot qualify as a "genre" but I'm happy with that. As with post-modernism, some guys reached the conclusion that there was really nowhere/nothing to look ahead and therefore started to look sideways (or in many cases looking behind). In other words, as with most other art forms, a general consensus emerged at some point in the 90s around the idea that linear musical "progress" was futile and that, to grow, rock had to incorporate approaches from other genres (and here i'm not talking about merely borrowing sounds or production tricks from other styles of popular western music, ie. "adding a dance element to your music")I guess the idea is not that new and that's why some of the post-rock stuff doesn't sound all that fresh (hello Can, jazz-rock, ...) but, hey, I still see a point in having a term for it.oder?
― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Thursday, 24 April 2003 09:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dadaismus, Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― hstencil, Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dadaismus, Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
Here to muddy the water further re: "what is post-rock?" how about post-rock 1979-1989:
'Post-Rock 1979-1989': https://t.co/XCJUpvI8J9Post-rock as a continuum of exploration... w/ Gigi Masin, Laughing Hands, Massacre, Michael Brook, @_thisheat_ Hraold Budd, Material, Spacemen 3, Dif Juz, Dome, The Cure, MBV, Glenn Branca, @DuruttiColumn Colin Newman, Talk Talk pic.twitter.com/zT2nMSNzHE— Musicophilia (@musicophiliamix) January 19, 2021
― Soundslike, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 02:24 (three years ago) link
it's when you play the guitar and post to ILX at the same time
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 02:25 (three years ago) link
Soundslike, this mix is wonderful! Thank you.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 21 January 2021 04:25 (three years ago) link
Thank you, glad you're enjoying it!
― Soundslike, Thursday, 21 January 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link
I'd missed this until now: Bundy K Brown's band Directions (In Music, sometimes) released a single in 1997 that seems to have vanished out of sight. It was re-released last year and a couple of the remixes are wonderful. This could be on Underworld's Drift series or the Alabaster DePlume record we all lost our minds over during the first lockdown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUCO5J5E0QA
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 7 March 2022 12:19 (two years ago) link