How about you firstly tell us why you think she is unintelligent.
― everything, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 20:15 (ten years ago) link
well there's http://thequietus.com/articles/13483-lydia-lunch-favourite-albums
― adam, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 20:19 (ten years ago) link
it sounds more like an older person trying to sound "relevant" than anything else
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 20:25 (ten years ago) link
why would LYDIA LUNCH of all people need to worry about sounding relevant, and why would she big-up Bo$$ if that's what she was trying to do?
― smang culture (DJP), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 20:28 (ten years ago) link
what does "need to worry" have to do with it? That's what it sounds like to me -- it's like when older white try to seem "down" and use language that used to be acceptable when discussing black people that now comes off as racist and pandering
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 20:31 (ten years ago) link
This thread is relevant to this discussion (from the part where the Lester Bangs essay comes up):black people and punk rock
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 20:36 (ten years ago) link
was that language ever really "acceptable"?
― fresh (crüt), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 20:39 (ten years ago) link
the bo$$ bit reads better if you imagine her saying "they gotta go down" in a keanu reeves voice.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
she sounds a bit like Bea Arthur in person
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 20:42 (ten years ago) link
the bo$$ bit reads better if you imagine her saying "they gotta go down" in a keanu reeves lord custos voice.
― fresh (crüt), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 20:43 (ten years ago) link
I'm not arguing that what she said wasn't cringeworthy in its use of racist language -- I think we can agree there, crut? Dan?
What I am arguing is that by her selections she is trying to position herself as still culturally relevant and engaged and not a 50-something year old female musician that is best known for things she did about 30 years ago so who gives a shit now? And it is totally in character for her not to pick her top whatever indie albums on some indie blog, because she doesn't want to be "corny indie," and being into "hardcore" rap is a great way to signify that you aren't corny indie -- this is something ilx can relate to.
Is the problem what she likes or how she talks about what she likes?
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 21:03 (ten years ago) link
how she talks about what she likes
― fresh (crüt), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 21:03 (ten years ago) link
It does make me happy that she gave props to Carla Bozulich and Weasel Walter, musicians I think are great and am friends with -- so you can all take my defense with that in mind
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link
sarahell otm. the rap write-ups made me cringe (not to mention the black keys as "the best of junior kimbrough"), but the pathos of age keeps me from getting too worked up about it.
― pervilege as a meme (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 21:48 (ten years ago) link
haha, i had the thought, "I wonder if Lydia would like Chief Keef," which then reminded me that I am also getting up there in years so
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 21:50 (ten years ago) link
You guys know that all those rap albums are ancient. Almost 20 years old.
― everything, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 21:55 (ten years ago) link
no one is saying that she was successful at her quest for Carlesian relevance
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 22:03 (ten years ago) link
blogito ergo sum
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link
i'm not questioning whether she honestly likes rap - obv she does! - i just think the voice she uses in her Bo$$ anecdote is gross, and the word "wigger" is gross (otoh i'm getting very minor lols from imagining her saying it with an aspirated "wh")
― fresh (crüt), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 22:10 (ten years ago) link
Anybody read Paradoxia? I thought it sounded interesting, some people say she makes herself sound like a terrible person.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link
This video is creeping me out:
http://vimeo.com/100276935
― goth colouring book (anagram), Friday, 26 September 2014 16:37 (nine years ago) link
What is this all about?
She kinda looks good without a nose. Often, when I contemplate the pleasure that certain faces give me, I ruin the moment by thinking how arbitrary the configuration of faces is: two eyes above a nose above a freaky hole of lips and tongue and the horrorshow of teeth. We find it all lovely, of course, but it's easy to put yourself in the shoes of an alien who would find it pretty grotesque! Nevertheless, watching this video, I realise I am OK with moderate adjustments to the standard template.
― Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 26 September 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link
she's hitting on some comedian called Louis CK of whom I've never heard
― goth colouring book (anagram), Friday, 26 September 2014 23:20 (nine years ago) link
"some comedian"
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 September 2014 23:22 (nine years ago) link
the video of her artist talk at some art museum in Detroit was pretty good -- I think she's funny, sometimes unintentionally. I know very little about Louis CK but the part about him being a voyeur feels kinda key to the whole thing
― sarahell, Saturday, 27 September 2014 00:04 (nine years ago) link
Lydia Lunch hates Christmas.
― Master of Treacle, Saturday, 27 September 2014 03:38 (nine years ago) link
she exemplifies a particular strain of loudly transgressive moron. like if you made a papier-maché performance artist out of a stack of re/search books.― adam, Tuesday, October 1, 2013 11:24 AM (11 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― adam, Tuesday, October 1, 2013 11:24 AM (11 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
adam otm
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:08 (nine years ago) link
you know that she is interviewed and written about in re/search books, right?
anyway, she is not a moron.
― sarahell, Saturday, 27 September 2014 20:40 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jul/21/lydia-lunch-no-wave-music-writing-workshop
― sarahell, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 20:54 (nine years ago) link
Teenage Jesus & the Jerks AT NYC’STRANS-PECOS DECEMBER 11
FEATURING LYDIA LUNCH,WEASEL WALTER, TIM DAHL
Plus Live 1977 to 1979 album coming out Nov 27th
I liked 8 Eyed Spy the best of her projects that I have heard
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 21:47 (eight years ago) link
that walter,tim,bob,lydia lineup is fucking killer live.
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link
lol I was so fucking wasted at that show-- if you ever end up back stage, DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THE COGNAC IN HER TOUR RIDER!!!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 00:07 (eight years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/arts/music/lydia-lunch-war-is-never-over.html?fbclid=IwAR0-TOYZH_6ko0XN-mA890EgHaV9tj7ipfJEZfN7yu5GYvgLhhwG_OaBWq0
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 00:15 (three years ago) link
I'm interested in the documentary.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 29 June 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link
lol
― sarahell, Wednesday, 7 July 2021 02:27 (three years ago) link
Proud owner of the ‘Queen of Siam’ LP, which I love unreservedly. Just obtained a CD comp of 8-Eyed Spy, a project of her singing over an intense and good backing band. Their cover of Beefheart’s “Diddy Wah Diddy” is wonderful; their cover of “I Want Candy” is completely skewed and ridiculous but likable.
― Josefa, Friday, 22 April 2022 03:29 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videos
Never knew she had this podcast.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 3 September 2022 18:35 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCmDJJZ2maz
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 3 September 2022 18:41 (two years ago) link
As usual they don't link to the actual channelshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg31WhxRgmQAll the rest are interviews
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 3 September 2022 18:45 (two years ago) link
guess i now need to dig out the Stinkfist cd ep ... not so sure i have ever listened to it all the way through.
― mark e, Saturday, 3 September 2022 18:53 (two years ago) link
Before I ever heard any solo LL I read about the killing a cat with a shovel boast so I never really bothered after that
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 4 September 2022 01:17 (two years ago) link
she's not a nice person
― sarahell, Sunday, 4 September 2022 04:06 (two years ago) link
Shocking, truly.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 4 September 2022 14:26 (two years ago) link
Wait, Beefheart's Diddy Wah Diddy? A fine cover, but when did the cap'n get to own this one?
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Monday, 5 September 2022 21:37 (two years ago) link
My bad! I guess I heard the Beefheart one first, or somehow forgot that Bo Diddley did it before, or some other excuse
― Josefa, Monday, 5 September 2022 21:49 (two years ago) link
I listened to one episode of this, had Wolf Eyes on. Yeah, it was kinda just uncomfortable and cringe-y more than anything. The repeated horndog come-on’s directed to the band were blech. Show might be unlistenable if it weren’t for the cohost mediating and directing things along. But… it’s Lydia Lunch, so I guess none of that’s surprising.
I enjoyed her set when she came through a few years ago.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 02:05 (two years ago) link
She was a bit like that in the Thirlwell interview and she's lived with him for 7 years
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 13:47 (two years ago) link
The best episodes of her podcast are the ones where the guest knows how to work with her and throw back, otherwise she'll just steamroller through it all until she gets bored. I recall that episodes with Byron Coley, Martin Rev, and Jerry Stahl were great.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 8 September 2022 05:02 (two years ago) link
Ran across this interview with her on the Women of Rock Oral History Project YT channel. It's worth the time, especially if you thought The War Is Never Over doc was good, but not great. She's more funny, honest and open here than I've seen in other interviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wwvQx2Wzas
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 8 September 2022 05:12 (two years ago) link
Kino Lorber just put The War Is Never Over on their YT channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgDa55EslRA
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 27 October 2022 19:55 (one year ago) link